Jul 23, 2026 Odessa Development Corporation

[1. Call to Order]

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ORDER AT 305. RONNIE, WOULD YOU GIVE THE INVOCATION, PLEASE? YES. WE BOW OUR HEADS, PLEASE.

HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME TO YOU TODAY AND WE THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY. AND WE SAY THAT THIS IS THE DAY THE LORD HAS MADE. LET US REJOICE AND BE GLAD IN IT. LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR EACH AND EVERY DAY ON THIS EARTH. MAY WE CONDUCT THIS MEETING IN A WAY THAT WOULD BE JUST AND FAIR AND GLORIFY YOU AND ALL WE SAY AND DO TODAY. WE ASK YOUR LEADERSHIP AND YOUR GUIDANCE AND ALL OF US. THANK YOU. IN JESUS NAME. AMEN, AMEN, AMEN, AMEN. THANK YOU. PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE PLEDGES. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE. TEXAS. ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. THE CITIZEN COMMENTS. ANY CITIZEN HAS A RIGHT TO MAKE COMMENTS EITHER DURING OR ON AN AGENDA ITEM OR ANOTHER ITEM. DO WE HAVE ANY? WE DON'T HAVE ANY.

[5. Consider approval of the general development plan for the 2026-2027 fiscal year]

NO, THE BOUNDARIES THAT WE EXTENDED AND. AND THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT THAT. IT NEVER GOT APPROVED BY COUNCIL. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL THAT WAS. I JUST CAUGHT THE TAIL END OF IT. AS FAR AS I KNOW, THAT'S THE THERE'S BEEN NO CHANGE IN THE BOUNDARIES. AARON, IS THAT VACATION. WHEN WE EXTENDED IT, WE CHANGED THE BOUNDARIES AND EXTENDED IT DOWN TO I 20. AND THAT'S HOW WE'VE BEEN OPERATING. BUT AND ALL THE QUESTION THE OTHER DAY, THE QUESTION THE OTHER DAY AT CITY COUNCIL WAS. THE EXPANDED STUFF OUTSIDE OF WHAT WAS DOWNTOWN ODESSA.

THERE'S A RED. IT'S IN HERE. AND IT WAS EXPANDED. AND THERE WAS A. WE WERE GOING TO DO A FACADE ON ALLEGHENY, AND ONE OF THE CITY COUNCIL THOUGHT THAT WASN'T IN THE DOWNTOWN ODESSA AREA. I DIDN'T HAVE A MAP WITH ME, BUT I SAID, WE. Y'ALL EXPANDED THAT AT SOME POINT.

THE CITY DID. I DON'T KNOW WHEN, AND IT WENT EAST AND WEST SOME. SOME BLOCKS AND UP TO 10TH STREET NORTH, AND THEN IT WENT SOUTH, LIKE YOU SAID, IN THAT CORRIDOR. AND THEN WE DID THE

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YEAH. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN GOING BY. SO. BUT I JUST THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE GOOD IF THE CITY COUNCIL, ALL OF THEM KNEW WHEN THE CITY HAD EXPANDED THOSE BOUNDARIES. WE'LL FIND THE WE'LL FIND THE DOCUMENTATION IN THE PAST AND PUT IT IN THERE INTO THAT PACKET SO THAT THEY HAVE THAT, BECAUSE THAT WASN'T ANY FUN THE OTHER DAY, PRESENTING THAT TO CITY COUNCIL. AND I WASN'T EXPECTING THAT QUESTION EITHER. WELL, IT BLEW ME AWAY. BUT ANYWAY, SO. UNDERSTOOD. WELL THAT THAT I HAD THAT AS A QUESTION. THE OTHER THING THAT I, I DON'T KNOW IS ON PAGE NINE, UNDER REGULATIONS. THIS SAYS THE APPLICANT SHALL INVEST AT LEAST 50% OF THEIR OWN FUNDS IN THE IMPROVEMENTS. THE DC WILL REIMBURSE UP TO 50%, BUT NOT MORE THAN 200,000. THE WILL REIMBURSE UP TO 50%. ISN'T THAT JUST FOR THE TEAR? I MEAN, WILL, WE WON'T ALWAYS REIMBURSE UP TO 50%. THAT'S JUST LIKE TIER ONE, I THINK. AND I MAY BE READING THAT WRONG, BUT THAT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE. THAT'S EXACTLY CORRECT. WELL, IT SAYS 250%. SO IF IT DOESN'T, IF IT'S IN A TEAR THAT DOESN'T GO TO THE FULL, FULL AMOUNT, UP TO THE WORD, UP TO 50%, TAKE CARE OF THAT. IT IT MAY IT WAS THE WILL THAT BOTHERED ME. SO THAT MAY BE ABSOLUTELY FINE. I JUST HAD IT CIRCLED. SO DO YOU THINK THAT SHOULD SAY MAY REIMBURSE OR. I MAY. SOUNDS BETTER I AGREE. YEAH. WE WANT TO MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT. NO THAT'S YEAH.

THAT'S MAY REIMBURSE 50%. YEAH. BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME SITUATIONS WHERE IT WOULDN'T THAT WOULDN'T BE RIGHT. DEPENDING ON WHERE IT IS IN THE TIER. JAMES WHAT'S YOUR OPINION ON IT? I MEAN, I THINK THE INTENT WAS CLEARLY JUST TO SET A MONETARY CAP REGARDLESS, REGARDLESS OF THE PERCENTAGE. BUT YEAH, I MEAN FOR SEMANTICS, YOU COULD SAY MAY BECAUSE I WOULDN'T READ THESE REGULATIONS AS A REQUIREMENT IN THE SENSE OF WILL VERSUS MAY. I THINK IT'S JUST THE I THINK THE INTENT WAS JUST TO SET A CAP, BUT IT PROBABLY IS WOULD BE BETTER TO SAY MAY. SO YOU DON'T HAVE AN IMPLICATION OF THE REGULATIONS WILL REQUIRE AUTOMATICALLY THAT REIMBURSEMENT. OBVIOUSLY, WHETHER THERE'S A REIMBURSEMENT IN THE AMOUNT WILL BE UP TO THE BOARD. BUT BUT I BELIEVE THE INTENT WAS FOCUSED ON JUST SETTING A CAP. SO 50% OR 200,000, WHICHEVER. IN OTHER WORDS, WHATEVER THE 50% IS, IT CAN'T GO PAST 200. I THINK THAT WAS THE INTENT. BUT YEAH, I MEAN, IT WOULD READ A LITTLE CLEANER WITH HAVING MAY IN THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE GOOD WITH THAT. YEAH. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I GUESS SINCE WE REALLY BEAT UP THIS LANGUAGE A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO, WHEN I GOT TO THAT, I THOUGHT, WELL, WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY SO, BUT THAT'S, THAT WAS ALL THAT I HAD IN HERE. YOU REMEMBER LAST YEAR WE ADDED THE DATA PROCESSING CENTERS, REMEMBER? AND YEAH, I NOTICED THAT. YEAH. DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THEM OFF NOW SINCE THE MEDIA IS KILLING THOSE OR. I THINK WE'RE YOU KNOW, I THINK WE COMMITTED TO AT LEAST ENTERTAINING THEM. SO HERE TOO, WOULD WE NOT BE BETTER OFF BEING UNIFORM AND SAYING MAY REIMBURSE WHEN WE'RE ON THE FACADE PROGRAM WE GOT WILL REIMBURSE WOULD NOT BE MORE UNIFORM TO STAY WITH MAY

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I'M SORRY, THE, THE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE INFRASTRUCTURE DOESN'T HAVE. THAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE. THAT WAS OKAY. RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW THAT ON THIS, I DON'T KNOW I DON'T KNOW THAT IT MATTERS. BUT IF WE WANT TO BE UNIFORM, I THINK BEING UNIFORM THAT'S THAT'S MY THINKING. YEAH. MIGHT AS WELL BE UNIFORM DOESN'T CHANGE THAT MUCH AS FAR AS GIVES US THE Y'ALL MAY HAVE GONE OVER THIS. Y'ALL SAID Y'ALL HAVE GONE OVER SOME OF THIS IN THOSE LAST TWO MEETINGS I'VE MISSED ON THE FACADE. GRANT. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO COME APPLY FOR IT BEFORE THEY START DOING THE WORK. YES. BUT THEN THEY HAVE TO HAVE ALL THE WORK DONE BEFORE THEY CAN BEFORE WE WILL GIVE THEM THE MONEY. RIGHT. AND BUT ACCORDING TO SOMEONE WHO TRIED TO USE THAT GRANT, THEY SAID THAT IS NOT EXPLICIT IN THE APPLICATION, BUT THE APPLICATION IS NOT IN HERE. SO I JUST THOUGHT, SHOULD WE MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICATION READS THAT THEY NEED TO APPLY BEFORE THEY START WORK? WE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT QUITE A BIT AND TOM TALKED ABOUT IT. AND I THINK THE WHOLE DEPARTMENT IS AWARE.

NOW. THEY FOUND THAT THERE WERE SOME ISSUES THAT IT ACTUALLY WORK HAD STARTED BEFORE THE APPLICATION. THAT'S WHY THAT VARIANCE PART IS ON HERE. NOW THOMAS, IS THAT IF IT WAS AN UNINTENTIONAL ERROR, THEN WE'VE. MR. PARKER'S PUT IN A VARIANCE THING HERE WHERE WE CAN FIX IT IF NEED BE. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. OKAY. YOU HADN'T SEEN BECAUSE I GOT ASKED THAT TODAY BY SOMEONE WHO'S APPLYING FOR A GRANT. AND I SAID, WELL, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'LL SEE IF I CAN FIND OUT. YEAH, OKAY. I THINK, TOM, YOUR DEPARTMENT'S VERY COMFORTABLE NOW WITH THE RULES, AREN'T THEY? I MEAN, WE HELPS A LOT BECAUSE A VARIETY OF FACTORS THEY MAY HAVE, YOU KNOW, HEARD ABOUT IT LATE AND THEY MAY HAVE STARTED. I THINK YOU NEED TO COME TO THE MICROPHONE. CRYSTALS GOT THAT LOOK ON HER FACE. SORRY ABOUT THAT. I WAS COMFORTABLE. YEAH.

THERE'S A VARIETY OF REASONS WHY SOMETIMES WE GET A PROJECT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIME AFTER THEY'VE STARTED, AND THEN THEY KIND OF BEG AND PLEAD. AND SO WE, WE WILL PRESENT IT TO COMPLIANCE AND GET THEIR OPINION ON IT. AND A LOT OF TIMES COMPLIANCE LOOKS AT IT AND SAYS, WELL, YEAH, WE THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MONEY THERE AND WE'RE TRYING TO REDEVELOP, REDEVELOP DOWNTOWN. AND THEY PROMOTE IT, YOU KNOW, AND THEN SOMETIMES, LIKE LAST MONTH, Y'ALL LOOKED AT A PROJECT THAT AFTER A STAFFING CHANGE APPLICATION WAS FOUND IN THE DESK. AND I'LL GIVE YOU A HEADS UP, WE GOT ONE MORE THAT WAS COMING AT THE NEXT MEETING, BUT HAVE YOU GUYS CLEANED OUT ALL THE DESKS NOW? THEY'RE CLEANED. YEAH. SO THIS ONE, WE ACTUALLY DIDN'T HAVE THE APPLICATION, BUT THE APPLICANT CONTACTED US AND SO WE HAD THEM SEND US ANOTHER ONE, BUT IT WAS DATED AND EVERYTHING. AND THERE WERE SOME NOTES ON, ON OUR SERVER ABOUT IT TO VERIFY. SO, SO I GUESS THE REAL QUESTION IS THAT WHEN PEOPLE PICK UP THE APPLICATIONS AND WE EXPLAIN IT NOW, YOUR DEPARTMENT HAS A REALLY GOOD UNDERSTANDING THAT OF, OF THE ORDER OF THINGS. SO THEY CAN'T COME BACK AND SAY WE DIDN'T TELL THEM. CORRECT. I MEAN, ISN'T THAT WHAT YOUR QUESTION WAS, THE DEAL? BECAUSE YEAH, THEY WERE UNDER THE THEY THOUGHT THEY COULD, THEY NEEDED TO GET ALL THE WORK DONE, WHICH IS TRUE. SO THEY DIDN'T APPLY UNTIL THEY GOT ALL THE WORK DONE. AND THEN THEY APPLIED. SO AND THEN WE SAID, OH, WE CAN'T DO THIS. AND SO ANYWAY, I THINK WE'RE WORKING ON THE ONE I'M TALKING ABOUT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD IT IN THEIR APPLICATION. SO THEY SO THEY UNDERSTOOD WHEN THEY

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ON PAGE 13, NUMBER F THIS IS JUST THIS MAY BE JUST FINE. I'M NOT JUST NITPICKING, BUT IF YOU GO TO TWO OF VARIANCE, YOU'LL ONLY BE APPROVED AND AUTHORIZED A BOND IN THE COLON. IT LOOKS LIKE THREE THROUGH SEVEN SHOULD BE INDENTED AND B A, B, C, D, E NOT NUMBERS BECAUSE ACTUALLY IT WAS. IT'S JUST THIS IS A TYPO HERE. IT SHOULD BE A SMALL LETTERS C TO SAY THESE OR THOSE THINGS. YEAH THAT IS. YEAH. THOSE, THOSE ARE IN MY, IN MY ORIGINAL DRAFT. THOSE ARE UNDER THAT ONE NUMBER AFTER THE COLON. SO, SO THEN EIGHT WOULD BECOME NUMBER FOUR C. I READ THAT A VARIANCE SHALL ONLY BE APPROVED AND AUTHORIZED UPON WHATEVER YOU WANT. IT'S OPEN ENDED.

THAT'S A INTERPRETED. THAT'S WHY WE'RE INTENDING. OKAY. BUT LITTLE NUMBERS. THAT THAT WAS ALL OKAY. THAT WAS MY ONLY OTHER THING. SORRY, THAT THAT IS PROBABLY WHEN IT WAS ADDED THE AUTO CORRECT, CORRECTED IT AND ELIMINATED THOSE SUBPARTS. SO BUT YEAH, THE ACTUAL THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, AND SEVEN ARE ACTUALLY ITEMS UNDER THREE, RIGHT? WELL, OKAY, OKAY. I HAD SOME IN SOME OF THESE CHARTS IN THIS DEAL. PAGE FIVE SAID THE ENTITIES, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE LIST ALL THE ENTITIES. WE HAVE EXISTING GRANTS WITH, AND THIS MAY NOT BE DONE YET. ODESSA COLLEGE, THE NEW ONE WE APPROVED THAT THAT GRANT HADN'T BEEN PUT TOGETHER, HAS IT? NO. OKAY. SO IT'S NOT IT'S NOT LISTED HERE. YEAH. I HAD THAT SAME COMMENT.

YOU ALREADY ASKED THAT. NO. OH, OKAY. BUT I ALREADY I KNEW IT WASN'T DONE YET. OKAY. AND THEN.

THEN IT LOOKS LIKE ON THIS TEXT DOT LIST, IF YOU ADD ALL THIS UP, WE'VE, WE'VE COMMITTED TO THEM 22,000,005 AND WE SPENT 6.5. SO THERE'S 16 MILLION STILL OUT TO TEX DOT. OKAY. I'M JUST I WAS TRYING TO. AND THIS IS LATER ON WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR BUDGET, TRYING TO MAKE TRYING TO MAKE THE NUMBERS ADD UP BECAUSE I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH ALL THE NUMBERS. BUT ANYWAY, I GUESS WE'LL GET TO THAT LATER. THAT'S REALLY NOT A PART OF. OUR PLAN, IS IT? NO DEVELOPMENT PLAN. BUT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THESE NUMBERS DON'T TIE BACK TO THE BUDGET.

SO I WAS WONDERING, DO WE NEED TO FIX THE NUMBERS IN THE PLAN OR FIX THE NUMBERS IN THE BUDGET? I WILL. SHOULD WE SHOULD WE TABLE THIS UNTIL WE GO DO THE BUDGET BECAUSE IT TIES BACK OR JUST OR, OR CHANGE THE NUMBERS AFTER WE TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO APPROVE THIS UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT THE BUDGET IS. WELL, I MEAN, THIS IS JUST INFORMATION THAT'S NOT MAY OR MAY NOT BE RIGHT. MORE UNIFORM IF THEY WERE ALL. YEAH, I WAS JUST WONDERING ACCORDINGLY IN THE BUDGET, THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG, I DIDN'T KNOW WHICH ONE WE NEEDED TO DO BECAUSE THE BECAUSE I HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE NUMBERS AND THE PLAN TYING TO THE BUDGET. RIGHT. AND THEY DON'T. SO DO YOU WANT TO TABLE THAT UNTIL WE DO THE BUDGET? CAN WE DO THAT AND COME BACK TO THIS? OKAY, I MOVE WE TABLE THIS ITEM TEMPORARILY.

SECOND. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANYONE OPPOSED? OKAY, SO NOW WE GO TO THE BUDGET. NEXT ITEM. I

[6. Consider approval of the budget for the 2026-2027 fiscal year]

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AT THE END OF FISCAL YEAR 26. IF WE GET TO THE END OF FISCAL YEAR 26 AND A CONTRACT DROPS OFF OR WE'VE ADDED A CONTRACT, THIS WILL BE ADJUSTED BASED OFF THAT. THE FUND BALANCE IS LIKE YOUR BALANCE SHEET. IT'S A POINT IN TIME. WHAT IT IS TODAY IS NOT WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE TOMORROW. IT'S NOT WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE THE NEXT DAY. BUT WE HAVE AN EXPLANATION FOR THE CHANGE. SO THAT'S HOW I CAME UP WITH THE COMMITTED BALANCE. WE TOOK ALL THE CONTRACTS. WE HAVE LESS WHAT WE ANTICIPATE THAT WE'RE GOING TO PAY OUT BY THE END OF FISCAL YEAR 26. WHAT'S REMAINING IS COMMITTED. THE LAST FINANCIALS YOU HAVE WERE MAY, AND SO IT WON'T TIE BACK.

BUT I CAN GIVE YOU AN EXPLANATION OF WHERE I GOT THIS. IF YOU WANT FURTHER DETAIL. THE ASSIGNED FUND BALANCE THAT 15,000,020 526 IS THE 15 MILLION TO THE CITY. YOU ASKED WHY THIS IS STILL AN ASK WHY THIS IS STILL UNASSIGNED AND NOT COMMITTED. AT THE TIME I DID THIS, I DIDN'T HAVE THE RESOLUTION IN HAND TELLING ME IT WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY, AND I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITHOUT A RESOLUTION IN HAND. SO AT THAT POINT, IT WAS STILL ASSIGNED AS OF TODAY. TODAY THAT IS IN THE COMMITTED BALANCE, AND THAT IS THE AWARD THAT WAS GIVEN JUST RECENTLY. AND THAT WOULD BE. AND THE REASON IT'S ALL IN HERE IS BECAUSE NOW IT'S GONE INTO COMMITTED. AND THE COMMITTED WAS SEVEN AND A HALF THIS FISCAL YEAR AND SEVEN AND A HALF NEXT FISCAL YEAR. THAT'S WHAT THE INSTRUCTION WAS. OKAY.

SO THEN THAT LEAVES YOUR AVAILABLE FUND BALANCE, THAT AVAILABLE FUND BALANCE FOR THE 2526 CONSISTS OF IT DOES STILL HAVE THAT 16 MILLION IN TEX DOT IN IT BECAUSE I JUST STUMBLED ON THAT BEING LEFT OFF PREVIOUS. IT DOES HAVE THE 16 MILLION AND IT HAS THE. ANYTHING UNASSIGNED.

IF IT DOESN'T HAVE A CONTRACT, A RESOLUTION, OR SOMETHING THAT LEGALLY BINDS THAT, OR AT LEAST RESTRICTS IT IN SOME MANNER, IT HAS TO BE UNASSIGNED. SO THE 25 MAN THAT YOU KEEP ON HAND FOR

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AND SO THAT'S FOR FISCAL YEAR 25, 26. RIGHT? RIGHT. OKAY. AM I, AM I THINKING RIGHT? YEAH.

AND DIDN'T WE AGREE TO PAY REFURB IN DECEMBER? I DON'T KNOW, IS IT UNDER A DIFFERENT NAME? MAYBE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT SOUNDING FAMILIAR. ISN'T THAT RIGHT. WELL DECEMBER IS NOT YOUR YEAR END IS WHAT JANUARY 1ST. OUR YEAR ENDS UP THEIR COMPLIANCE AUDIT. OH, BUT IT SHOULD ALREADY STILL BE IN OUR RESTRICTED IF IT'S IN A CONTRACT. RIGHT. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT UNDER CONTRACT YET. OKAY. UNDER CONTRACT. BUT DECEMBER WILL BE IN 27 FISCAL YEAR, RIGHT. THIS FISCAL YEAR ENDS IN SEPTEMBER. REMEMBER WHAT THE DATES WERE. YEAH. SO BUT THE POINT I'M JUST MAKING IS THAT WE ARE AWARE THAT THE 36 NUMBER, WHICH WAS 54, JUST NOT TOO LONG AGO, BUT THE 36 NEEDS TO BE REDUCED BY ANOTHER 26 BETWEEN TEX DOT AND ODESSA COLLEGE THAT WE HAVE COMMITTED THAT YOU DON'T KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE PAPERWORK ON. RIGHT? RIGHT.

THAT MAKES SENSE. YES. OKAY. I DIDN'T HAVE THAT IN MIND. OKAY. SO THEN WE GO TO 27, SAME CONCEPT THROUGH YOUR EXPENDITURES. AND SO IN 27, THE COMMITTED FUND BALANCE OF 31537 YOU'VE REDUCED THAT BY THE PROJECTED PAYMENTS OF THE COMMITTED ONES THAT YOU KNOW ABOUT, WHICH DON'T INCLUDE THOSE TWO. YES, YES. AND THIS 16 MILLION THEN, IS THAT THE 16 MILLION THAT I'M SUBTRACTING FROM THE 36 IN MY MIND? BECAUSE NOW IT WILL BE A HARD CONTRACT.

YES. SO THE ONLY THING THAT YOU WOULD TAKE FROM THAT FIVE FOUR IS THE OH, SEE THAT I WAS AWARE OF. AND THAT 2.8. SO THAT THAT'S THE PROJECTION LESS ODESSA COLLEGE AND THE TEAM THE REFURB. OKAY. PROJECTED OUT THE NEXT YEAR. OKAY. OKAY. PROBABLY WHAT WE NEED TO DO WHEN WE'RE DOING THESE BUDGETS. I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IF WHENEVER I, WHEN WE SEND THEM OUT, PROBABLY SOMEBODY IF THE INVESTMENT COMMITTEE, FINANCE COMMITTEE, SOMEBODY REACH OUT TO ME AND MAKE SURE I HAVE EVERYTHING THAT Y'ALL ARE AWARE OF OR MR. MANSKY SOMEBODY THAT'D BE REALLY HELPFUL. SURE. OKAY. OKAY. SO IF AND I CAN PULL THIS UP, IF I COULD FIGURE OUT HOW TO LOG INTO THIS. YEAH. KAYLA. THERE'S A LOT OF NOTES ON THE BACK THAT REFER NUMBERS THAT

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ANTHONY LEWIS HISTORICAL DATA. SO I CAN DO THAT REAL QUICK. SO SO YOU'RE YOU'RE PROJECTING OUR SALES TAX TO BE DOWN FROM WHAT YOU'RE ANNUALIZING FOR THE REST OF THIS YEAR. ABOUT THAT LAST YEAR IN MY MIND, NO, I DON'T. BUT IF WE USE THE SAME METHOD THAT WE USE YEAR AFTER YEAR, YOU TAKE THE LAST SIX MONTHS IN THE FIRST SIX MONTHS OF THE YEAR, PRIOR YEAR AND THIS YEAR, AND THAT'S THE NUMBER YOU USE. SO OUR SALES TAX ARE DOWN. THEY'RE NOT, BUT THEY ARE OVER THAT SPAN THAT WE USE ARE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE DOWN FOR THE FISCAL YEAR THIS YEAR.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT UP. HOWEVER, IF YOU USE THE SAME METHOD RELIGIOUSLY EACH YEAR, IT'S GOING TO LOOK I DON'T HAVE TO USE THAT METHOD. I WAS JUST STICKING WITH HISTORICAL. THAT'S WHAT WE DO FOR THE CITY. THAT'S WHAT MOST PEOPLE DO. WELL, YOUR NOTE HERE LOOKS LIKE IF YOU DO THAT, THE NUMBER SHOULD BE 16,000,624. THE LAST SIX MONTHS OF 2025, IN THE FIRST SIX MONTHS OF 2026. THAT WAS AN OLD NOTE THAT THAT WAS ONE OF THOSE NOTES I DIDN'T TEND TO SEND OUT BECAUSE THAT WAS AN OLD ONE. OKAY. BUT I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE QUESTIONS WILL BE. CONSERVATIVE ON OUR SALES TAX. YOU ALSO. YOU TAKE IT AGAINST WHAT THE CITY IS PROJECTING TO. SO THAT'S RIGHT. I CAN ADJUST THIS NUMBER. I MEAN, THIS IS THIS IS WHY IT'S A BUDGET. I CAN LOOK AT THIS NUMBER AND ADJUST IT OUT FOR YOU BASED ON WHATEVER RATIONALE THE BOARD WANTS TO USE. I CAN DO THAT. I JUST NEED THE FEEDBACK I NEED TO KNOW, IS THE 4 MILLION IN INTEREST INCOME A GOOD NUMBER? I HAVE NO IDEA. THAT'S SO THE INTEREST INCOME RECENTLY, THIS IS WHERE AGAIN, I COULD USE SOMEBODY'S MIND WHO DOES THE INVESTMENT STUFF MORE THAN ME. I TOOK A HISTORICAL NUMBER AND I LOOKED AT HOW OUR INTEREST GONE DOWN THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS AND MADE A BEST GUESS. OKAY. BASED OFF HIS HIS HISTORICAL AND LOOKING AT WHAT IT'S DONE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS. SO TELL ME, KAYLA, I'M SORRY IF I'M SLOW HERE ON THIS NOTE OF. OF THE FIRST PARENTHESES, THIS LOOKS LIKE THESE ARE ACTUAL NUMBERS THAT YOU ACTUALLY WERE GOING TO USE, MAYBE OR AT LEAST CALCULATE BECAUSE IT SAYS THE LAST SIX MONTHS OF 2025, IN THE FIRST SIX MONTHS OF 2026, THAT SOUNDS LIKE ACTUAL NUMBERS. SO THAT WAS PROBABLY SAY THAT AGAIN. SAY IT AGAIN. I'M SORRY. PARDON ME. LET ME I DON'T HAVE IN FRONT OF ME. OKAY. IT'S THAT FIRST NUMBER ONE. NUMBER ONE. AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU WERE SOMEBODY WAS ACTUALLY FIGURING THE NUMBERS. YES. SO THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD BE. BUT IF WE DO 25% OF WHAT THE CITY'S PROJECTION IS, THEN THAT'S HOW IT IS FOR THAT. 15.1. SO SO REALLY, THIS IS NOT THIS IS. NOT BASED ON HISTORICAL NUMBERS. IT'S BASED ON 25% OF WHAT THE CITY THINKS THE SALES TAX IS GOING TO DO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, I JUST I JUST WONDERED WHY WASN'T THIS 166. BUT THAT MAKES SENSE. THAT'S ANOTHER REASON I TRY TO DO THOSE NUMBERS BECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON WHICH METHOD YOU WANT. I TEND TO GO THE MORE CONSERVATIVE METHOD EVERY TIME. WELL, IF THE CITY IS PROJECTED, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE I MEAN, I THINK WE SHOULD GO WITH WHATEVER THE CITY'S PROJECTING. YEAH, WE GOT A NOTE IN HERE. I THINK IT'S I'M GOING TO PUT IT IN THE ASSIGNMENT UNTIL I GET THE CONTRACT. WE DON'T HAVE A KEYBOARD, SO BE PATIENT WITH MY. OH, THERE IT IS. THANK YOU. YOU SAID THE OC IS 10 MILLION. YEAH. AND WE'RE GOING TO PAY A BIG CHUNK OF THAT THE FIRST YEAR. BUT WE

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THAT'S YEAH. SHE'S PUT 2 MILLION IN AVAILABLE FUND BALANCE. THAT TAKES CARE OF THE TAX TEXDOT. IT TAKES CARE OF OC AND IT TAKES CARE OF TEAM REFURB. AND THEN THE ONLY THING THAT WILL BE COMING UP THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REQUEST IS GOING TO BE IS THE PARKING GARAGE. SO ONE AND THAT COULD BE ACCOUNTED FOR. SO HISTORICALLY WE HAVE HAD. THIS 7.5 FOR JUST CAPITAL INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WASN'T GIVEN TO THE CITY. RIGHT. THAT WAS SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THE PARKING GARAGE BECAUSE IF I'M CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WE CAN ONLY PAY FOR PARKING SPOTS THAT WOULD BE DEDICATED TO THE PUBLIC, RIGHT? YEAH. IT WAS THE CALCULATION OF THE PUBLIC PART OF THAT, AND I DON'T REMEMBER HOW MUCH THAT WAS. I'M SURE YOU DO. IT WAS LIKE SEVEN AND A HALF OR EIGHT AND A HALF, BUT THEY'VE REDONE THE WHOLE THING. I DON'T KNOW, KEEP RAISING THE NUMBERS. WHAT I HEAR SO WELL.

SO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPOTS SO THAT 507 46 PARKING SPOTS. SO THE REQUEST IS BIGGER. IT'S GOING TO BE IN COMPLIANCE IN 20 MINUTES. AND THE, THE, THEY DO HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF HOW MANY OF THOSE 700 ARE GOING TO BE PUBLIC PARKING SPOTS. AND WE DID CLEAR THAT THAT IS AVAILABLE TO US. OKAY. TO DO IF WE CHOSE TO DO THAT. OKAY. OKAY. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT I CAN UPDATE THIS WITH THAT? TOM. I HATE TO BRING THIS UP BECAUSE WE'RE KIND OF STUCK IN THIS, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE MONEY WE HAVE COMMITTED THAT THE COMPANY IS NOT TAKING THAT? I THINK IT'S OXI. YOU'VE GOT IT. YEAH. HAVE WE TOLD HER THAT OR DO WE STILL HAVE TO HANG ON TO THAT UNTIL LATER? FOR SURE. OR WE WERE WAITING ON AN OFFICIAL REQUEST FROM THEM TO TO DROP. THEY'VE DECIDED NOT TO ACCEPT THEIR GRANT. RIGHT. I BELIEVE THAT WAS 2.1 MILLION THAT IT'S NOT IT'S NOT ON THIS LIST. NO. YOU'RE TALKING THAT'S BECAUSE THEY NEVER SIGNED THEIR CONTRACT. OH, BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ILLINOIS ART MUSEUM THAT DON'T WANT THEIR. NO, I OXY BECAUSE I'VE APPROACHED THEM A FEW TIMES ABOUT THEIR GRANT. AND SEE, WE NEVER RECEIVED A SIGNED CONTRACT. THAT'S WHY IT, YOU KNOW, HADN'T GONE THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS. SO THERE WAS NO RESOLUTION PAPERWORK ON THAT.

SO IT'S NOT IN HERE. IT'S NOT IN THERE BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN THAT'S WHAT WORRIES ME. I UNDERSTAND WHY SHE CAN'T DO THAT ACCOUNTING WISE. BUT WE DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER OF THE DEALS WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED. THAT MAY COME BECAUSE WE'RE NOT THERE YET. I THINK THE SOLUTION WAS MAYBE MR. MANSKY AND I NEED TO SIT DOWN WITH BUDGET TOGETHER, BECAUSE I CAN'T DO WHAT I DON'T KNOW. BECAUSE, WELL, MUSEUMS. ANOTHER DEAL HAS. IT'S NOT ON IN OUR. BECAUSE IT ISN'T AN APPROVED CONTRACT. IT'S BEEN APPROVED BY ODYSSEY. YEAH, WE'VE APPROVED IT. AND MATTER OF FACT, I THINK THE CONTRACT WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL. WE SENT IT TO OXY AND THEN WE WAITED A PERIOD OF TIME. AND THEN I REACHED BACK OUT AND SAID, YOU KNOW, ARE YOUR IS YOUR LEGAL STILL REVIEWING IT? AT THAT TIME, THEY WERE I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THAT AT SOME TIME AFTER THAT THEY WERE USING OUTSIDE COUNSEL AND THEY MADE THE DETERMINATION NOT TO ACCEPT THE MONEY. AND SO I DID REACH OUT TO THEIR VICE PRESIDENT OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS AND SAID, COULD WE GET A WRITTEN STATEMENT REQUESTING TO, TO NOT ACCEPT THE MONEY AND MOVE ON AND, AND NEVER RECEIVED THAT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY REQUIRES THAT, BUT THAT THAT'S.

SO IT'S IN OUR I MEAN, IT'S NOT IN OURS BECAUSE IT DIDN'T GO THROUGH THE FINAL STEP OF GETTING THE CONTRACT BACK FROM THEM. RIGHT? CORRECT. WHEN WE'VE GOT ALL OF OUR OUTSTANDING OBLIGATIONS, IT'S NOT INCLUDED. IT'S NOT ON THERE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE CONTRACT BACK FROM THEM. ARE THERE OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT MUSEUM? WELL, I KNOW, WE KNOW AND I, I NEED TO LOOK BACK AT THE LIST AGAIN, I KNOW THAT GCGCC THE BIG CEMENT MANUFACTURER IS JUST NOW REQUESTING PAYMENT, AND I HAD TO REACH OUT TO THEM AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS HAVE NOT SUBMITTED ANY PAPERWORK OR ANYTHING, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE ON THE LIST. SO THERE. YEAH, OKAY. I JUST COULDN'T REMEMBER EVERYTHING THAT WAS ON THE LIST.

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OH, I'D HEARD ABOUT IT. I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WASN'T ON A LIST ON THE LINE ITEM. CITY OF ODESSA. IT'S NOT CHANGING, BUT IT'S A WEIRD NUMBER. YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S NOT AN EVEN NUMBER.

IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE ROUNDING OFF. I'M JUST WONDERING. WHAT? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? THAT NUMBER 219377 NOT CITY INFRASTRUCTURE. CITY OF ODESSA EXPENDITURES. IT'S THE THIRD, THIRD EXPENSE LINE. OH, THAT'S OUR ADMIN. WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION? I'M SORRY. I'VE GOT QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. BUT IF WE'RE DO WE TALK ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THAT YET. THE CONTRACTS ARE WE STILL. I JUST WONDERED WHERE THAT NUMBER COME FROM BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME NUMBER IT'S BEEN. AND IT'S NOT CHANGING. AND IT'S YOU ALLOCATE SO MANY HOURS A MONTH OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? IT'S BACK HERE IN DETAIL IN THEIR EXHIBIT. THERE'S NO CHARGE TO IT. IT'S DUTIES THAT ARE ALLOCATED TO IT. IT'S IT'S GOING TO BE IT'S AN ISSUE BECAUSE WE HAVE A QUESTION NOW. I THINK IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD HAVE WHAT'S IT WHAT'S HIS NAME? MOORE. JEFF MOORE, WHETHER JEFF MOORE SHOULD BE THE DC ATTORNEY FOR CONTRACTS BECAUSE MR. PARKER ONLY HAS HIM. AND IF THAT WAS THE CASE, THEN SHOULD THE LEGAL PART OF WHAT WE PAY THE CITY BE REDUCED BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HIRE OUTSIDE COUNSEL? THAT'S WHERE THAT QUESTION CAME FROM. I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE BOARD NEEDS TO JUST WORK WITH JAMES TO DETERMINE HOW TO BEST MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT. JAMES IS HERE TODAY, FOR INSTANCE. YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S THERE'S A AND HE'S GOING TO BE HERE. HE'S YOUR HE'S YOUR ATTORNEY ON THE GROUND. I THINK, I GUESS THE WAY I KIND OF SEE MR. MOORE IS THAT HE WOULD HE MIGHT CRAFT SOME THINGS FOR YOU. BUT ULTIMATELY, IT'S STILL GOT TO BE APPROVED BY THE CITY, WHICH MEANS IT'S GOT TO BE APPROVED BY JAMES. YOU AGREE? SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, YEAH, HE MIGHT BE DOING SOME LIFTING FOR US. BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT'S ULTIMATELY GOT TO COME BACK TO JAMES I THINK. SO I THINK IF THIS BOARD IS COMFORTABLE WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH MR. MOORE STILL, AND THEN JAMES IS COMFORTABLE WITH IT, I DON'T REALLY SEE WHY THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE. WE WOULD JUST CONTINUE. I THINK THERE'S THERE'S THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT IS THAT YOU PUT IN THERE FOR FOR MR. MOORE, BUT IT WOULD PROBABLY JUST BE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE GOT THEM ON RETAINER OR JUST BE AS NEEDED. SO THAT WOULD PROBABLY JUST BE A STRAIGHT PASTOR. RIGHT? I WOULD THINK SO. I THINK TOM IS THE ONE THAT IS THAT DEALS WITH HIM. YEAH. I JUST UTILIZE THEM FOR, FOR QUESTIONS UP UNTIL NOW, LIKE WHEN WE GOT A DETERMINATION ON THE PART OF WHAT, WHAT OTC COULD LEGALLY. WELL, IN HIS OPINION, CONSIDER WITH REGARDS TO FUNDING, BUT WAS IT WAS IT WAS IT BREAKFAST WITH YOU THAT YOU SAID POTENTIALLY WE MIGHT NEED TO HIRE JEFF MOORE IF I THINK IT WAS ONLY MOORE COULD PROVIDE RELIEF, IF NEED BE, TO THE CITY'S LEGAL OFFICE. AND THE QUESTION WAS, WELL, IF WE DID THAT WELL, THEN WE WOULD WANT TO CUT THE AMOUNT WE PAID THE CITY. AND IS IT EVEN NECESSARY TO DO THAT? AND IT SOUNDS LIKE, AARON, THAT YOU'RE THINKING IT'S NOT NECESSARY. IF IT BECOMES NECESSARY, WE'LL KNOW WE'RE. AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, RIGHT NOW JAMES IS HERE AND WE'VE GOT TWO OTHER FOLKS FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT HERE. SO THEY'RE ULTIMATELY THE ONES THAT HAVE TO APPROVE EVERYTHING THAT JEFF MOORE DOES ANYWAY. BUT AGAIN, I THINK IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THEM FOR SOME OF THAT HELP WITH THE HEAVY LIFTING. AGAIN, IT WOULD BE LIKE I SAID, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S RETAINER, BUT IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE ON AN HOURLY RATE. AND THEN THE LEGAL STAFF IS STILL REVIEWING QUITE A BIT OF THINGS FOR ODC, ALONG WITH FINANCIAL STAFF, ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF. SO I MEAN, I THINK I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WHAT'S THE NUMBER IN THERE THEY'VE GOT FOR THAT ONE. SORRY. YEAH. 219,000. I BET WE I BET WE EAT UP EVERY BIT OF THAT. AND THEN MORE. SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT STAFF SPENDS ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. SO I THINK MAYBE AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT ONE THING ON THE CITY INFRASTRUCTURE GRANTS, BECAUSE I'VE TALKED WITH SOME OF YOU ALL ABOUT THIS AND I'VE TALKED WITH TOM ABOUT THIS, BUT THE NATURE OF MUNICIPAL FINANCE HAS CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS. I MEAN, IT JUST

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THAT'S WHY I'D LIKE TO HAVE A WORKSHOP. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IT'S LIKE, HOW DO YOU HOW DO YOU BUDGET SOMETHING WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT? WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD NUMBER OF WHAT WE'VE ALREADY COMMITTED TO. HOW MUCH OF THAT'S IN IN PAPERWORK, HOW MUCH OF IT'S STILL IN PROCESS? AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I AND THEN THE NUMBERS DON'T ADD UP FROM ONE DEAL TO THE OTHER. SO. HOW WOULD YOU AGREE WE NEED AN ACTUAL BUDGET? I CAN BE DEFINITIVE IF I'VE GOT GOOD NUMBERS TO LOOK AT. SO HOW DO WE GET THOSE GOOD NUMBERS? I DON'T KNOW, I WOULD AGREE, I HAVE GOOD NUMBERS, SO HOW DO WE GET THEM. I THINK WE HAVE BETTER NUMBERS THAN WE'VE HAD IN YEARS AND YEARS. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN DEALING WITH A WHOLE LOT OF ESTIMATES. IS IT JUST IS IT DO WE DO WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT CONTRACTS ARE OUT THERE THAT WE DON'T KNOW EXIST.

THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO THAT WHICH I THINK THERE'S NOT, I MEAN, OXY IS THE ONLY ONE. WELL, THERE'S THE AND THE MUSEUM MAYBE NOW. YEAH. BUT BUT THIS LIST OF RESTRICTED MONIES, I THINK THAT'S BEEN BEAT UP TO DEATH. I MEAN, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD LIST ISN'T IT, OF OUR PROJECTS OF WHAT WE HAVE LEFT. I MEAN, I'VE GOT THE FEELING THAT YOU AND KAYLEE HAD REALLY.

SO THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE WITH THE UNCERTAINTY COMES IS THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN THAT ARE IN PROCESS THAT WE DON'T HAVE WE DON'T HAVE CONTRACTS FOR CONTRACTS. LIKE YOU WEREN'T HERE WHEN WE VOTED ON THE REFURB AND WE VOTED ON ODESSA, I WOULD OH, MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW. I'M THINKING IT WAS IN THE LAST. BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S THOSE HAVE TO BE. THEY HAVE TO BE LISTED SOMEWHERE LISTED SOMEWHERE IN YOUR NUMBERS. AND THEY ARE, IF I'M AWARE THAT THEY'RE GOING ON. AND THEY ARE. I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY, BUT THE LAST 2 TO 3 MONTHS, WE GOT HOPE AND BELIEVE AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DEVOTE MORE TIME. I HAVE ANOTHER STAFF MEMBER THAT SHE'S BEEN DEVOTED TO CONTRACTS AND SHE IS WORKING ON AS WELL, MAKING SURE THEY'RE BEING COUNTED FOR. THAT'S ONE REASON I'M VERY COMFORTABLE IN THOSE NUMBERS. I'M ANTICIPATING THAT WE'RE GOING TO PAY OUT FOR THE REST OF YEAR 26 AND 27. AGAIN, THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN IN OUR CONTRACT BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY CAVEATS, ASSUMING EVERYTHING'S GOOD. I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WITH NUMBERS. I'M VERY COMFORTABLE THAT WE HAVE CONTRACTS THAT HAVE MADE IT THROUGH COUNCIL ACCOUNTED FOR. THERE IS THAT AREA. IF THEY HAVEN'T DONE THAT, THERE IS A CHANCE THAT WE CAN MISS THEM BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE PROBABLY I NEED TO MEET WITH MR. MANSKY TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR RADARS ARE THE SAME, BECAUSE HIS FOCUS IS ON OVC IS A FOCUS OF MINE, AND I DON'T WANT TO MISS ANYTHING, BUT I THINK I. THAT WOULD PROBABLY HELP. THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE GREAT IF YOU AND I HAD REGULAR MEETINGS, BUT I THINK THAT'S THE ANSWER, AARON, IS THE UNCERTAINTY IS THE STUFF THAT'S.

SO AGAIN, I MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THIS COUNCIL CALLS SPECIAL MEETING FOR BUDGET WORKSHOP. AGAIN, WE CAN USE STATION SIX. USE THAT ALL THE TECHNOLOGY IN THERE. NICE COMFORTABLE ROOM. EVERYBODY GOES IN THERE AND WORKS ON THIS BUDGET AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ACCURATE AND THAT IT REFLECTS THE NEEDS OF ODC, BUT ALSO THE CITY OF ODESSA. SO AND I KNOW YOU ALL ARE DEDICATED TO THAT, BUT I JUST I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THAT EXERCISE. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING? AND IF SO, HOW IS THAT GOING TO IMPACT THE REST OF OUR AGENDA TODAY? I KNOW I'M GETTING READY TO LEAVE TOWN FOR TWO WEEKS, AND I WOULD HATE NOT TO BE AT THAT MEETING, BUT IF IT COULD HAPPEN, WE COULD HAVE A COMMITTEE WORK ON PART OF THE STUFF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, AARON, THAT'S 7.5 MILLION CITY INFRASTRUCTURE GRANT. WE BASICALLY PUT IT DOWN HERE UNDER ASSIGNED FUND BALANCE BECAUSE SHE'S GOT CITY $15 MILLION. I DON'T UNDERSTAND, I DON'T EITHER. YOU'RE RIGHT. IT'S ON THERE. YES SIR. WE DID ACCOUNT FOR THAT. SO SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WHAT ELSE ARE YOU ASKING FOR. QUITE A BIT.

YEAH. HE'S WANTING. YEAH. AND YOU KNOW I GUESS HE WANTS OVER. YEAH. I WANT LIKE FOR INSTANCE

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SO THOSE ARE TWO PROJECTS, THOSE $7.5 MILLION RIGHT THERE THAT I WOULD I WOULD LIKE THE BOARD TO CONSIDER FOR SURE. ABSOLUTELY. COULD THAT COULD THAT MEETING HAPPEN NEXT WEEK? IF IT CAN, I'M GONE FOR TWO WEEKS AND I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO. KELLY KELLY HAD A GOOD POINT. YOU JUST WANT TO YOU WANT TO DO A BUDGET SUBCOMMITTEE TO TO MEET AND TO HAMMER THIS OUT, GET IT RIGHT AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. WE COULD DO THAT. IT'D BE EASIER BECAUSE IF WE GOT ALL OF US, WE GOT HOW MANY DAYS? YEAH. YOU KNOW THAT DOG AND PONY SHOW. I COULD ALSO WHATEVER THE BOARD AND AARON THINKS IS BEST. I'M HAPPY WITH IT. WOULD IT BE WORTH ME AND MR. MANSKY MEETING AND GOING OVER IT TOGETHER? I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE A STARTING POINT FOR SURE. I THINK A COUPLE BOARD MEMBERS THERE WOULD BE HELPFUL AS WELL. WELL EVERYBODY'S QUIET. I DEFINITELY WANT PEGGY IN ON THE DEAL BECAUSE SHE WATCHES STUFF VERY GOOD AND SHE'S VERY GOOD AT WHAT SHE DOES. SHE'S VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE. SO IF WE COULD WAIT OR WE HAVE TO WAIT, LET'S WAIT TILL YOU GET BACK. IF WE CAN'T, WE COULD MEET NEXT WEEK, BUT THEN WE CAN DO IT. I'LL MAKE TIME TO DO IT NEXT WEEK WHEN I'M GONE FOR TWO WEEKS. MY SON'S ORIENTATION. OH, NO. IT'S ALL RIGHT. YOU'RE OUT NEXT WEEK.

THURSDAY. FRIDAY. ONLY MY SON'S GETTING THAT ORIENTATION, SO I MIGHT NEED MORE. Y'ALL PRAY FOR ME THAT DAY. YEAH, BUT TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, I'M GONNA BE GONE. I'M OUT UNTIL THURSDAY, AND I'M NOT TELLING YOU WHERE I'M GOING, JUST FYI. THOMAS, WHAT ABOUT YOU? WE HAVE A TRACKER ON YOU.

I'M TAKING MY VACATION. IT'S ON MY PHONE. I'M HERE. I WAS JUST GOING TO MENTION THERE IS ANOTHER ITEM THAT'S NOT MENTIONED HERE. AND THIS IS KIND OF THE STUFF WE FALL INTO SOMETIMES. Y'ALL APPROVED TO GRANT FOR CHAMPION X SOME MONTHS AGO, AND I'VE REACHED OUT TO THEM MULTIPLE TIMES. THEY THEY'VE HAD A PROPOSED EDA IN THEIR HANDS. WHAT WHAT IT GOT CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IS SCHLUMBERGER WHICH IS NOW WHAT'S JB PURCHASED CHAMPION X AND SO IT'S BEEN WITH LIKE A NEW SET OF ATTORNEYS, AND WE JUST HAVEN'T GOTTEN IT BACK YET.

BUT THEIR PROJECT MANAGER ON IT HAS ASSURED ME THAT IT'S COMING. AND SO WE RUN INTO THINGS LIKE THAT ONCE IT'S HANDED OFF TO THE COMPANY. WELL, WE NEED TO WE NEED TO HAVE A GOOD LIST OF ANYTHING THAT'S OUT THERE. YEAH, I AGREE WITH THAT. WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT AND HOW WE DO THAT. I WOULD I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WHEN WE APPROVE THIS IT GOES TO SOMEBODY IMMEDIATELY. THIS IS THIS HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE BOARD. WELL Y'ALL BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT. WHICH WHICH AND KAYLA HARPED ON BECAUSE WE'RE DEALING WITH DIFFERENT THINGS. WE NEED TO MEET REGULARLY AND, AND COMPARE NUMBERS. AND SO THAT MOVING FORWARD, Y'ALL HAVE GOOD NUMBERS IN FRONT OF YOU.

SURE. TAKING A STEP INSIDE THE CITY FINANCE OFFICE, WE HAVE A SOMETIMES THE SIMPLEST THING CATCHES EVERYTHING, RIGHT? IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE HARD. EVERY TIME THERE IS A MEETING, I HAVE AN AGENDA AND I TAKE IT BACK TO WHICHEVER STAFFER WHO CAN HELP ME WITH AT THE TIME. AND WE GO OVER THESE AGENDAS, WE GET THE MINUTES, WE GET EVERYTHING, AND THEN WE HAVE A FOLLOW UP PROCESS. WE DO THIS FOR THE CITY, AND WE STARTED DOING IT WITH OVC AS WELL. SO THAT WILL HELP. THAT WILL HELP AGAIN TODAY. BUT WE STILL NEED TO MAKE SURE IT'LL HELP WITH THIS PROCESS FOR SURE. BUT WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE THE OFFICE FOR A YEAR THAT YOU KNOW ABOUT IS CALLING IT COMMITTED AT THE END OF THE YEAR. SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE WORK ON THAT TIMING. BUT FOR THIS BUDGETING PROCESS, I CAN I THINK WE HAVE A FIX FOR THAT. AND MEETING WITH MR. MURPHY REGULARLY IS IS GREAT. I THINK THAT WOULD HELP A LOT. I CAN YOU, THOMAS, CAN YOU AND PEGGY MEET MONDAY, TUESDAY OR WEDNESDAY OF NEXT WEEK? YEAH, I CAN, YOU CAN'T, I CAN, YOU CAN'T. YEAH, YEAH. I THINK THAT'LL BE A GOOD STEP FORWARD, Y'ALL. I REALLY DO. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING AGAIN THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN KIND OF MOVING FORWARD. Y'ALL ARE YOU GOING TO Y'ALL BE ABLE TO MEET PRIOR TO THAT. I LEAVE FIRST THING IN THE MORNING FOR VACATION. I'LL BE BACK WEDNESDAY NIGHT. CAN YOU SEND ME AN EMAIL? ABOUT THAT? YEAH.

THE STUFF WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TODAY, I CAN SEND YOU AND I CAN CHECK THIS EVENING IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE OUTSTANDING. AND MONDAY WE HAVE THE CITY BUDGET WORKSHOP, SO I'M NOT ABLE TO BE THERE RIGHT THERE. JUST SO I'M CLEAR, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS BASICALLY THE ENTIRE, WHAT

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SO IS THAT THOUGHT ABOUT IT? IS THAT THE SEVEN FIVE AND THEN ANYTHING ON TOP OF THE DRY POWDER. I'M WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IN PERPETUITY IS THAT THE BOARD CONSIDER 50% OF THE BUDGET GOING TOWARD INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE CITY OF ODESSA, SPECIFICALLY THOROUGHFARES MAINTENANCE REBUILD THINGS LIKE THAT. REBUILDS. YEAH. REBUILD RECONSTRUCTION MILL AND OVERLAYS. CAN WE DO THAT? YES. LEGALLY. CAN WE DO THAT? ABSOLUTELY. INFRASTRUCTURE. I MISS THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS. WE WENT TO UNDER 501. IF IT'S INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS IT CAN BE DONE ON EXISTING ROADS. WE'RE NOT EXPANDING. IF IT'S IF IT'S INCREASED, IF IT'S ACTUAL IMPROVEMENTS OF INFRASTRUCTURE, THERE'S A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY THERE. BUT I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, IT DEPENDS ON MORE SPECIFICS. DEVELOPMENT IS INVOLVED IN THAT IN THAT STATUTE. WITH REGARDS TO WILL IT ASSIST IN BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA? IS THAT LIKE. 501157 SOMEWHERE AROUND THAT OR. 103 AREA? YEAH, IT'S IN THAT AND IT'S, IT'S A STATUTE. THE ODC BOARD LEANED ON FOR WORK AROUND THE BASS PRO SHOP FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE THERE. THERE ARE OTHER AND THERE ARE OTHER SOURCES OF INCOME THAT WE'RE, WE'RE SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING IF THEY ARE ACTUALLY A DETERRENT, SPECIFICALLY IMPACT FEES RIGHT NOW. SO IMPACT FEES I'VE HAVE, FOR INSTANCE, LUBBOCK HAS RECENTLY DONE AWAY WITH IMPACT FEES BECAUSE THEY FELT IT WAS A DETERRENT. THEY KNEW IT WAS A DETERRENT. IT IS. I'M I'M WORKING WITH COMPANIES RIGHT NOW AND THE ROADBLOCK IS IMPACT FEES. YEP. SO IMPACT FEES. I'M ASKING THE COUNCIL TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE. AND AGAIN THAT GOES BACK TO THE NEED FOR. WELL THEN HOW DO WE FUND SOME OF THIS INFRASTRUCTURE. AND IN MY MIND, THIS IS A LOGICAL PLACE TO LOOK FOR A POSSIBLE SOLUTION. WE HAVE TWO PROJECTS THAT PULLED BACK DUE TO IMPACT FEES. SO THAT WAS A CONCERN FOR THEM UP AGAINST WHAT THEY WERE INVESTING. SO WE'RE GOING TO TABLE THIS BUDGET TO I GUESS, WHEN IS OUR BUDGET, WHEN DO WE HAVE TO HAVE IT APPROVED? IT WOULD BE JUST PRIOR TO THE CITY'S BUDGET, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU. WHICH IS THIS? IT'S IN AUGUST. IT'S IN AUGUST SOMETIME. SO THERE THERE STILL TIME. THERE'S STILL TIME.

OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE THIS BUDGET MOTION AND SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? SO WHO NEEDS TO BE AT THIS MEETING BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE THE HOST CITY COUNCIL. IT WOULD BE AARON. AND WHO ELSE? I THINK FROM THE CITY MYSELF FINANCE. OKAY. I MEAN, THE WHOLE ISSUE IS JUST DO WE WANT TO LIMIT OURSELVES TO $25 MILLION IS WHAT WE GOT TO GIVE.

THAT'S. YEAH. WELL, THE OTHER ISSUE IS, IS THIS MONEY TO BE USED FOR. YEAH, THE RIGHT THING.

[7. Consider approval of the contractor agreements for the 2026-2027 fiscal year]

WE CAN WE GO AHEAD AND AGREE. CAN WE GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THESE AGREEMENTS AS PART OF OUR BUDGET. AND THEN I THINK WE CAN WE CAN APPROVE THESE AGREEMENTS WITH THESE PARTNERS, AND THEN THAT'LL FIT INTO OUR BUDGET. THAT IS CORRECT. SO WE SAY CONTINGENT UPON YOUR NUMBERS ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE BECAUSE REALLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT ON THE ON THE CONTRACTOR PAYMENTS, IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE OR ACCEPTING PROPOSALS. YOU'RE ENTERED TO AGREEMENTS.

AND THEN OF COURSE, THE BUDGET, ONCE THE BUDGET IS FINALIZED, WILL MAKE THEM FIT FROM THAT, FROM THAT POSITION. SO WHAT DO YOU GOT, TOM? WELL, NOTHING'S CHANGED FROM WHEN I CAME UP HERE LAST TIME. YOU HAVE A BUDGET IN FRONT OF YOU. WE DO HAVE A BIT OF AN INCREASE. THE

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OKAY. SO IS THAT IN THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CHAMBER AND THE ODC, THAT THE COST OF THAT EMPLOYEE. THAT'S THAT'S IN THE BUDGET PROPOSAL? OKAY. SO, I MEAN, WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO IS I'M TRYING TO SORT THROUGH IF THIS NEW EMPLOYEE IS GOING TO BE DOING CITY WORK VERSUS IS THE PORTION OF THE WORK THAT'S GOING TO BE PERFORMED BY THAT EMPLOYEE FOR THE CITY OF ODESSA, IS THAT GOING TO BE PURELY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IMPROVEMENT WORK, OR WILL THERE BE OTHER TASKS THAT EMPLOY WILL BE IT WOULD BE PURELY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WORK. BUT BUT WE ARE WE HAVE OFFERED TO TAKE ON SOME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WORK THAT THE CITY IS CURRENTLY DOING. OKAY. WITH REGARDS TO 380 AGREEMENTS, REALLY TO BE AT THE DIRECTION OF MEETING MORE WITH AARON AND DEFINING EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS. BUT IT WOULD BE A PORTION OF OF WHAT THIS EMPLOYEE WOULD BE DOING. SO THERE MAY BE A NECESSITY TO HAVE AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CHAMBER AND THE CITY TO ADDRESS THAT SPLIT ON THOSE TYPES OF DUTIES BETWEEN THE EMPLOYEES. I MEAN, ESPECIALLY IN TERMS OF IF IT'S JUST GOING TO BE ODC, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S GOING TO BE PURELY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUNDS PAYING THAT EMPLOYEE. SO THERE MAY BE A NEED FOR AN AGREEMENT, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE MAY NOT AFFECT ANYTHING HERE TODAY, BUT THERE MAY NEED TO BE THAT MAY NEED TO BE DONE IN THE FUTURE. YEAH. BECAUSE INITIALLY, I THINK THE FIRST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT IT, WE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT A SHARED EXPENSE. AND THEN IN TALKING WITH OUR ACCOUNTING, OUR COUNTY MANAGER AT THE CHAMBER, WE DECIDED IT WOULD JUST BE EASIER AND CLEANER JUST TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE ON THE WHOLE THING AND THEN DECIDE WHAT WHAT ROLE THEY WOULD NEED TO PLAY WITH THE 380 AGREEMENTS AND SO FORTH. AND IF WE NEED TO OUTLINE THAT IN AN AGREEMENT, YEAH, THAT'D BE PERFECT. THAT CAN BE DONE. YES. OKAY. MOVE TO APPROVE THIS AGREEMENT. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANYONE OPPOSED? THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU SIR. MR. THOMPSON, I GUESS. NOT ON THE AGENDA. HAVE A QUESTION? WE ALL LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THIS. THANKS. APPRECIATE IT. I NEED TO TELL Y'ALL SOMETHING. THE PROBLEM WE HAVE AND YOU NEED TO KNOW. I'VE BEEN HELPING NEGOTIATE 2 OR 3 DEALS THAT ARE VERY LARGE. THE IMPACT FEES ARE A PROBLEM. AND THE WHAT THE MONEY WE GET. AND I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. WE ALMOST LOST A BIG BOX STORE THIS WEEK BECAUSE WE HAD $1.2 MILLION OF IMPACT FEES ON THAT STORE FOR 6500 ZERO FOOT STORE. SO THE QUESTION BECOMES, DO I WANT $1.2 MILLION ONE TIME, OR DO I WANT THE SALES TAX FROM THIS RETAIL STORE EVERY DAY? GOTCHA. AND IT BECOMES VERY EASY QUESTION TO ANSWER. SO WE ARE CARL AND I

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THEY'RE HUGE. AND ONE OF THEM IS GOING TO BE IT'LL BE MORE SALES TAX THAN BASS PRO SHOP.

IT'S UNDER CONTRACT FOR PROPERTY. SO I'M JUST TELLING YOU THERE'S THERE'S YOU THINK YOU'RE GIVING UP A LOT WHEN YOU'RE GIVING US HALF OF YOUR SALES TAX BUDGET, BUT YOU'RE NOT BECAUSE YOUR SALES TAX IS GOING TO GO WAY UP AND, AND QUICKLY. WELL. THE, THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID, RESPECTFULLY, IS THAT WE'VE ALREADY AGREED WE'D GIVE YOU HALF OF THE SALES TAX AND WE DON'T EVEN FEEL BAD ABOUT IT. WHAT AARON HAS SAID IS THAT YOU WANT EVERYTHING OVER A CERTAIN NUMBER, WHETHER IT'S HALF OF THE SALES TAX OR NOT. IF WE THINK WE NEED 25 MILLION OF SEED MONEY, THEN ALL THAT EXTRA GOES. SO ALL THE EXTRA YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WOULD GO TO THE CITY AND THAT'S FINE. I'M I'M NOT ARGUING WHETHER THE CITY SHOULD HAVE IT OR NOT. I'M JUST ARGUING THAT. AND I'M NOT ARGUING AT ALL. I'M JUST SAYING THAT WHAT I UNDERSTAND THE PROPOSAL IS, IS TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE HAVE TO WORK WITH EVERY YEAR TO A SET NUMBER, AND EVERYTHING ELSE GOES TO THE CITY. AND THAT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CONCEPT. SO I THINK IN FAIRNESS, IT, IT, IT SEEMS RIGHT THAT WE WOULD AT LEAST BE CONCERNED. YEAH. AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT. BUT I THINK SINCE WE SET UP ODC, YOU KNOW, WE HAD CERTAIN PEOPLE ON THIS COMMITTEE THAT JUST LIKE WE GOT TO ARGUE IN A MINUTE AGO, ABOUT 5015013 I GOT, I KNOW THE NUMBER CHAPTER AND VERSE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I HAD TO FIGHT SILLY PEOPLE OVER THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, IT SAYS CLEARLY THAT YOU CAN USE YOUR MONEY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, INCLUDING ROADS. AND I GOT SO TIRED OF LISTENING TO THAT ARGUMENT, I COULD GO CRAZY. SO THE PROBLEM, GUYS, IS THAT WE ARE GROWING SO FAST, WE CAN'T KEEP UP, WE CANNOT KEEP UP, AND WE'VE GOT DANGEROUS SITUATIONS HAPPENING OUT THERE BECAUSE OF OUR LACK OF ABILITY TO KEEP UP WITH THE ROADS, AND WE NEED ALL THE MONEY THAT WE CAN GET TO TO DO THAT. I'VE BEEN TRYING ALL SUMMER TO GET. YOU KNOW, MY FRIEND BACK THERE TO GET 56TH STREET DONE TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE TRAFFIC AROUND THAT SCHOOL IN 56 FROM BILLY HEX TO FAUDREE.

AND IT'S BEEN DESIGNED, BUT WE HAVEN'T GOT THE MONEY TO BUILD IT. AND SO WE'VE GOT TO GET MORE REVENUE FOR, FOR ROADS, ESPECIALLY, WE HAVE I DON'T KNOW WHERE THESE PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM, BUT THEY'RE COMING FROM EVERYWHERE. BUT ANYWAY, THE MAYOR AND I HAVE BEEN ON A, A HUNT OR A MISSION, I GUESS IS A BETTER WORD TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO STRUCTURE THIS. AND HE APOLOGIZED. HE WISHED HE COULD HAVE BEEN HERE TODAY, BUT HE COULDN'T, SO I WAS HOPEFULLY I'M NOT NEAR AS ELOQUENT AS HE IS. I CAN'T I DON'T THINK AS GOOD AS HE DOES, BUT ALL I KNOW IS I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT TAKES TO TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO. AND IT'S BECAUSE I'VE BEEN I'VE WATCHED THEM AND I KNOW I KNOW WHAT THE MONEY IS AND I KNOW WHAT IT COSTS SO AND HOW LONG IT TAKES. THAT'S. THE OTHER KEY IS THE LENGTH OF TIME I SIT ON THE MPO BOARD. I'M WATCHING WHAT TEX-DOT DOES. AND YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN I'VE BEEN SCREAMING FOR SIX YEARS ABOUT YUKON ROAD. I HAVE BEEN ADAMANT ABOUT IT. MPO STARTED ME TALKING ABOUT IT.

GUESS WHAT THIS HAPPENED. DUSTIN FOSTER JUST GOT GOT THE RANCHER WEST OF TOWN AT 302.

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NOW FROM 302. ALL THE WAY TO MAKE IT GO ALL THE WAY TO THE AIRPORT. AND HERE WE HAVE THIS LITTLE TWO TWO LANE DUMPY ROAD. CAN'T HANDLE THE TRAFFIC RUNS RIGHT THROUGH PARKS BELL. YOU KNOW. AND SO THAT IS THAT IS NOW IT'S GOING TO BE A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE. AND I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THAT ON RADAR AND NOBODY WANTS TO LISTEN. SO I'M HOPEFULLY I'M BEING YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT IT FROM A 50,000 FOOT LEVEL. BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE A HUGE PROJECT. BUT WE'VE GOT TO HAVE THINGS LIKE THAT DONE. I'M TRYING TO GET TXDOT TO PUT ON, ON, ON SYSTEM, WHICH MEANS THEY'D PAY FOR IT. BUT THAT'S LIKE PULLING TEETH OUT OF AN ELEPHANT. SO BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. WE'VE GOT SO MANY NEEDS LIKE THAT. THERE'S SO MUCH HAPPENING LIKE THAT. AND I'M SORRY, I'M PREACHING, BUT NO, NO, NO, IT GETS VERY FRUSTRATING. IT GETS VERY FRUSTRATING BECAUSE YEAH. MIKE, ON THE IMPACT FEES, ARE YOU LOOKING AT IT ACROSS THE BOARD, COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL? YEAH, WE WHEN WE DID THE IMPACT FEES, WE SET THEM AT 50% OF THE FORMULA. AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO AWAY WITH THEM. WE CAN'T DO THAT. BUT WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THEM DOWN TO ZERO. OKAY. INSTEAD OF 50% OR 100%, WHICH IS THE WAY WE HAVE TO DO IT LEGALLY. OKAY. AND THE OTHER THING TOO, I JUST, I JUST WANT TO SAY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS BOARD SERVES AT THE PLEASURE OF THE CITY AND WE ARE TRYING TO DO WHAT YOU ASK US TO DO. AND SO WE'RE NOT ADVERSARIES WITH THE CITY. I MEAN, WE'RE YOUR PARTNERS. AND SO I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT THERE'S NO MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT. AND THAT'S ONE OF MY ONE OF MY THINGS THAT I WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AARON AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT. WE WANT US TO BE, WE GOT TO BE STRATEGICALLY ALIGNED SO THAT YOU KNOW WHAT WE NEED AND WHERE WE'RE GOING AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET THERE. AND THEN Y'ALL JUST NEED TO Y'ALL NEED TO, YOU KNOW, BE RIGHT BESIDE US ALL THE WAY. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WE HAVE TO BALANCE BOTH SIDES BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE THE INCENTIVES, PLUS THE ABILITY TO HELP THE CITY. RIGHT. AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PIECE OF IT. YOU KNOW, I HAD LUNCH WITH TOM A COUPLE DAYS AGO AND HIS STAFF. AND, YOU KNOW, THE BIG PROBLEM WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN ODESSA IS SHOW ME A PIECE OF LAND INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS. THAT'S BIG ENOUGH, REALLY, TO DO MUCH. WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY. NOT REALLY. IF WE GO OUTSIDE THE. AND IF WE GO OUTSIDE THE CITY, IF WE GO OUTSIDE, YOU PUT THEM OUT IN THE COUNTY ADJACENT TO THE CITY LIMIT LINE AND ASK US TO ANNEX IT. AND IT GENERATES ANY KIND OF SALES TAX. THEN WE. THEN WE GET BURNED AGAIN AND WE'RE PROVIDING ALL THE ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE. IT'S A BAD SITUATION. IT'S A, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST IT'S UNTENABLE. SO WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT REALLY WANTING TO DO THAT, BUT AND WE'RE FOR THAT REASON, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS ALMOST LANDLOCKED. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW ABOUT A BUNCH, MIKE, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN ANYBODY, BUT LAND AVAILABLE FOR A BIG PIECE OF NON-OIL FIELD OR EVEN OIL FIELD COMPANIES, THERE'S NOT THAT MUCH INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS, I DON'T THINK. BUT AGAIN, YOU'RE CLOSER TO IT THAN I AM. I JUST LOOK, WHEN I'M DRIVING AROUND, SEE, SO I AGREE. YEAH. SO ANYWAY, I APPRECIATE YOU LETTING ME SPEAK AND, AND I JUST WANT US TO BE THAT'S THE WHOLE MY WHOLE KEY OF MY ASKING IS TO LET'S GET STRATEGICALLY ALIGNED, YOU KNOW, HAVE GREAT COMMUNICATION AND, AND BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD WITH THIS PRIOR TO Y'ALL, YOU KNOW, I SPENT SIX YEARS FIGHTING TWO KNUCKLEHEADS.

ANYWAY THAT DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY READ. SO IT'S BEEN KIND OF FRUSTRATING FOR ME. SO I THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. CURRENT MEDIA, WHATEVER YOU DO, CURRENT MEDIA. OH, SHE MADE HER PRESENTATION TO THEY ALL DID. YOU MADE THIS PRESENTATION LAST TIME I DID. IS THERE ANY CHANGES IN IT? CHANGES. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD. IS THERE ANY MOTION TO APPROVE HER BUDGET? SO MOVED. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

THANK YOU. I KNOW YOU LIKE TO TALK. YOU CAN COME BACK IF YOU WANT TO. OH, THAT'S A BLACK CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. CHRIS. HE'S BACK THERE. HE'S HIDING. I DIDN'T SEE HIM. I'M TRYING TO HIDE. SO. SO YOU PRESENTED YOU. SO YOU PRESENTED YOURS LAST MEETING? YES, SIR. AND ABSOLUTELY NO CHANGES. UNLESS YOU WANT TO GIVE ME MORE. I'LL TAKE IT. SO DOES ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION ON WHAT HE HAD? SO HE DOESN'T ASK FOR MORE. SO MAYBE SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN

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SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED. ARE YOU GOING TO WORK ON GETTING ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE THE CITY WANTS. THE CITY OF ODESSA, THE 200. DO WE NEED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT YOUR DEAL OR IS IT ALL OR NO CHANGES THAT I'M AWARE OF. SO MOVED WE WERE GOING TO WE'RE NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT. WELL WE DID I MY WHAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WAS IF WE NEEDED TO ADJUST IT, IF WE NEEDED TO HIRE AN IN-HOUSE ATTORNEY. AND I THINK THAT WAS DETERMINED, AT LEAST AT THIS POINT, THAT WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT. YEAH. OKAY. SO IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THEIR BUDGET? YES. SO MOVED. SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY.

WHAT ELSE DO WE NEED TO DO? DO WE NEED TO GO BACK TO OUR. WE REALLY CAN'T. WE CAN'T DO THAT.

WE CAN'T DO THAT. NOPE. I THINK WE JUST NEED TO SET UP A MEETING FOR MONDAY. OR SO. ARE YOU GOING TO LET US KNOW ABOUT MONDAY OR TUESDAY? WE CAN'T DO TUESDAY OR WEDNESDAY. I CAN MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE EITHER ONE OF THOSE DAYS AT ANY TIME. THAT WORKS FOR Y'ALL. MR. MANSON SAID HE'D SEND ME A LIST. HE'S GONE. I'LL BE GONE. HE'S HE'S GONE. HE'S GOING TO SEND HER A LIST AND GO OVER ALL THIS STUFF SO THAT WE HAVE ALL OUR STUFF ON THERE. BUT THAT'S NOT THE REAL ISSUE. NO, I MEAN, IF I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT, IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN LIKE WEDNESDAYS AND I'M GOING TO BE GONE OR SOMEBODY ELSE CAN. WE COULD MEET ON WEDNESDAY. I'LL MAKE MY SCHEDULE, WHATEVER IT NEEDS TO BE FOR THAT WEDNESDAY. YES, MA'AM. I'M OKAY. WEDNESDAY. HOW ABOUT HOW ABOUT 1:00? OR NOON OR 1:00? YES. AND WEDNESDAY. DO Y'ALL WANT ME TO ASK CHIEF COTTON IF WE CAN USE FIRE? STATION SIX IS THE ONE BEHIND BUFFALO? WELL, I THOUGHT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE. IF THERE'S ONLY FOUR OF US. SO LET ME GET ALL THE STUFF HERE. LET ME GET SOME CLARIFICATION. Y'ALL CONVENING A SPECIAL BOARD MEETING? NO SPECIAL MEETING THAT AARON WANTS. OKAY, WELL, THEN YOU CAN'T. ONLY 1 OR 2. YOU CAN DO IT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T. YOU CAN'T GO EVEN DON'T EVEN GET CLOSE TO A PART. I MEAN, STAY AS FAR AWAY FROM A QUORUM AS POSSIBLE RIGHT HERE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. BUDGET COMMITTEE OF THOSE TWO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SOUNDS GOOD. AND KAYLA AND AARON. OKAY. YOU TWO. OKAY? OKAY. I'LL BRING OUR NEW CFO WHO IS HERE. SO RENEE IS. YEAH. AND RENEE, YOU'RE WELCOME TOO. SO WE COULD MEET HERE OR AT THE CHAMBER. I'M THINKING CHAMBER. I DIDN'T KNOW HOW MUCH PAPER YOU HAD TO BRING. I DON'T BRING PAPER. OKAY, I'LL BRING MY LAPTOP AS LONG AS I CAN PLUG IT UP. WE'RE GOOD. I WILL BRING SOME PAPER. SO 1:00 ON THE 29TH AT THE CHAMBER. WILL SOMEBODY TELL AARON THAT? IS THAT OKAY? 1:00 AT THE CHAMBER WEDNESDAY? YES, THE 29TH. YOU DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE USING YOUR. THAT'S THE 28TH OR 29TH. OKAY. THAT'LL WORK. AND THEN WHEN IS

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ANYTHING ELSE? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED WHAT? OH, YOU RAISED YOUR HAND. THIS WAS ACTUALLY A SPECIAL. SPECIAL? I THOUGHT IT WAS BUDGET WORKSHOP. I THOUGHT IT WAS. THIS WAS A SPECIAL WORKSHOP, RIGHT?

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.