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WHAT DO I GET A. READ? YOU GUYS READY, EDDIE? YES, SIR. CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. THIS IS

[1. Call to Order]

THE WORKSHOP ON JANUARY 13TH, 2026 FOR THE CITY OF ODESSA. I'M GOING TO ASK COUNCILMAN CHRIS HANEY TO GIVE OUR INVOCATION. IF YOU'RE ABLE, PLEASE STAND. GOD, WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY, FATHER. WE THANK YOU, FATHER, FOR THAT BEAUTIFUL RAIN THAT YOU YOU ALLOWED TO TO TO FALL THIS MORNING, FATHER. AND AND AND GOD. JUST LET THAT BE A BLESSING, FATHER, FOR FOR THIS CITY. FATHER AND GOD. WE JUST THANK YOU, FATHER, FOR EVERYONE HERE TONIGHT. FATHER, WE WE THANK YOU FOR THE PROTECTION OVER ALL THE WORKERS IN THIS CITY FROM OUR FIREMEN, OUR POLICEMEN, EVERY ONE OF THEM, FATHER, BECAUSE IT IS IT IS A A DANGER ON THESE ROADS EVERY DAY THAT THEY THEY'RE OUT HERE, FATHER. AND WE JUST SAY THANK YOU, GOD AGAIN FOR FOR WALKING WITH THIS THIS CITY COUNCIL, FATHER. AND WE JUST ASK THAT EVERY DECISION THAT IS MADE TONIGHT, FATHER, BE DONE THROUGH TO YOUR MERCY, FATHER, AND TO YOUR GLORY, FATHER. AND WE JUST THANK YOU FOR AGAIN FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO FOR THIS CITY. AND JESUS MIGHTY NAME WE PRAY. AMEN. AMEN. ALL RIGHT. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE.

[3. Discuss award of contract for 2026 advanced mineral seal.]

DISCUSS. AWARD OF CONTRACT FOR 2026. ADVANCED MINERAL SEAL. YVONNE. AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS ITEM IS TO DISCUSS AWARD OF CONTRACT FOR 2026. ADVANCED MINERAL SEAL. THE PUBLIC WORKS STREET DIVISION IS PLANNING TO USE ADVANCED MINERAL SEAL FOR THIS YEAR. PREVENTIVE STREET MAINTENANCE PROGRAM THIS PRODUCT OFFERS A GOOD SERVICE LIFE AND IT IS DESIGNED TO BE APPLIED TO RESIDENTIAL STREETS. WE ARE PLANNING TO SEAL APPROXIMATELY 1,025,484YD■!S OF ASPHALT SURFACE, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 47 LINEAR MILES, AND IT IS APPROXIMATELY 8.5% OF THE TOTAL MILEAGE OF STREETS IN ODESSA. THIS IS ALSO A PRODUCT AND PAVEMENT RESTORATION FROM BERNIE, TEXAS IS THE SOLE SUPPLIER AND APPLICATOR OF THE ADVANCED MINERAL SEAL COUNTRYWIDE, AND THE CONTRACT AMOUNT IS $3,999,387.60. AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. YEAH. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, I'D LIKE TO KNOW. JUST THAT THE FILLING IN IS THAT IS THAT IS THAT WHAT THIS IS OR IS THIS THE WHOLE COVERING? THE WHOLE STREET? IT COVERS THE WHOLE STREET. IT IS AN ASPHALT LAYER AND AGGREGATE ON TOP OF IT. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WELL, WE GOT A RETREAT COMING OUR WAY. ARE THE ROADS YOU PICKED? ARE THEY JUST THE OLDEST ROADS? HOW YOU PICKED THAT MATRIX? NOT NECESSARILY THE OLDEST, BUT THIS IS IN DISTRICT ONE, BY THE WAY. ONLY THIS YEAR. SO NEXT YEAR WILL BE CONCENTRATED ON THREE, FOUR, FIVE AND TWO. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. MAYBE TALK A JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THIS PRODUCT IS. SO YOU KNOW IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE WORST BUT WHAT THIS DOES IS THAT IT IT TRULY LENGTHENS THE LIFESPAN OF THE ASPHALT BY APPLYING THIS MATERIAL. YEAH. IT IS BASICALLY KIND OF A SEAL COAT, BUT THE SIZE OF THE AGGREGATE IS SMALLER, WHICH MEANS IT IS NOT REALLY CHANGING THE DRAINAGE PROPERTIES OF THE ROADWAY. SO IT IS A SEAL. IT IS A SEAL ASPHALT LAYER WITH THE AGGREGATE ON TOP OF IT LIKE SEAL COAT. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD GENTLEMEN. ANY QUESTIONS? I JUST LIKE TO SAY I APPRECIATE EVERY TIME WE'RE WORKING ON STREETS. YOU'RE ON. YES. THIS WILL THIS WORK WILL START WHEN THIS PROJECT WILL BE DONE IN TWO PHASES. WE CALL IT SPRING PHASE AND FALL PHASE. SO IT WILL BE 60 DAYS IN SPRINGTIME AND 60 DAYS IN FULL TIME. WE ARE KEEPING THE SUMMER HOT TIME.

AND HOW LONG AGO WAS THIS PART OF THE MASTER PLAN FOR THIS TO HAPPEN? HOW FAR BACK HAS THIS BEEN IN THE PLAN FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREA TO BE SEAL COATED? THIS IS USUALLY WE'RE GETTING THIS INFORMATION FROM OUR DEPARTMENTS. I MAY NOT BE EXACTLY ANSWER TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. WELL, THE REASON I EVALUATE AND I APOLOGIZE, THE REASON I ASK THAT IS SOMEWHAT TO KIND OF BE RESPONDING TO COUNCILMAN MITCHELL. IT I THOUGHT IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT YOU HAVE A MASTER PLAN OR JOE TUCKER, MAYBE YOU CAN BETTER ANSWER THIS WHERE OUR STREETS ARE BEING ALREADY IN A PLAN TO BE REDONE OR SEAL COATED OR

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WHATEVER, 2 OR 3 YEARS AGO, AND NOW WE'RE JUST GETTING TO THAT STREET IN DISTRICT ONE. WE HAVE A HISTORY MAP. WE ARE DOING THAT BASED ON THE HISTORY MAP TO. WE CAN SEE, LET'S SAY THIS SECTION WAS DONE THREE YEARS AGO. SO I DIDN'T ATTACH MY MY FAULT, I DIDN'T ATTACH THAT HISTORY MAP. USUALLY I DO. SO IF YOU RESURFACE THE STREET, HOW LONG DO YOU THINK THAT WILL LAST? RESURFACE RECONSTRUCTION. YOU MEAN FOR RESURFACE THE STREET CAN BE COME BACK TO WIN 5 OR 6 YEARS? YEAH. IF IT'S A SEAL COAT, 5 TO 7 YEARS. TYPICALLY WE DO A SEAL COAT, IS WHAT MR. VASQUEZ TALKING ABOUT, WHICH WE ARE ON ABOUT A SEVEN DAY YEAR CYCLE. SEVEN ON ON THAT THIS IS AN ALTERNATE TREATMENT THAT WE'VE BEEN GETTING REAL GOOD RESULTS FROM.

AND THIS YEAR WE'RE NOT DOING ANY OF THE SEAL COAT. WE'RE JUST DOING THIS THIS AMS TREATMENT. SO THIS THE SEAL COAT HAS OTHER ISSUES. IT BUILDS UP. IT CHANGES THE CROSS SECTION OF THE ROAD. IT IT DOES STUFF. WELL THIS IS A SMALLER AGGREGATE AND WE LIKE THE RESULTS WE'RE GETTING WITH THIS. AND THIS REASON I ASKED IT, I JUST WANT THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT LIKE WE NOTE WE AS A PUBLIC, WE'RE DRIVING ON SOME STREETS THAT LOOK LIKE THEY NEED REPAIR. AND IT'S LIKE, WHY ARE THEY NOT DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT NOW? WELL, MAYBE WE WILL BE. IT'S JUST IN A PLAN, RIGHT? LENGTHEN THE LIFE OF THE STREETS, OKAY? PUTS OFF WHAT BECOMES MAJOR RECONSTRUCTIONS. AND THAT'S THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY WHEN WE GET INTO THERE. SO WE TRY TO USE THIS SORT OF TREATMENT TO PROLONG THE STREET AND AVOID THE, THE MAJOR WORK. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU ALL FOR ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS. SO ARE YOU GOING TO FIX THE ROADS, SAY THERE'S POTHOLES IN THEM. YOU FIXING THE ROADS BEFORE YOU PUT THE SEAL COAT DOWN? OR IF THERE'S AREAS LIKE THAT. YES, DEFINITELY. SO I KNOW ON MY SIDE OF TOWN I GOT GRASS GROWING IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR ROADS. SO THAT PRETTY MUCH TELLS ME THAT THOSE ROADS NEED TO BE REPAIRED, REPLACED, NOT SEAL COATED. WE HAVE SOME OF THOSE. DEFINITELY. OKAY, WELL, I WAS GOING TO ASK SOMEBODY MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT DRAINAGE. DOES THIS DO ANYTHING. BECAUSE I KNOW WHEN Y'ALL DID THIS ON THIS SIDE OF DIXIE, LIKE THIS DIDN'T ADDRESS ANY OF THE GROWTH THAT WAS IN THE GUTTERS OR LIKE, IS THERE A PROJECT THAT WOULD ADDRESS THAT THIS, THIS PARTICULAR ANYTIME THAT YOU PUT A SEAL COAT DOWN OR THIS, THIS MATERIAL DOWN THE ROAD IS GOING TO BE PREPPED FOR THAT. SO IF THERE IS ANY GRASS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT SHOULD BE REMOVED AND THEN THIS SHOULD BE PUT DOWN ON TOP OF, THEY WOULDN'T PUT THAT DOWN ON TOP OF LET'S SAY, GRASS GROWING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN A, IN A CRACK. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I KNOW YOU SAID THEY DIDN'T, BUT THEY DID. YEAH. AND OKAY.

AND THAT'S MY QUESTION. BUT WHAT IF THEY DID? I'M SORRY. WHAT NOW? WELL WHAT IF THEY DID.

THEY DO. YEAH I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING THAT. SO WE DO HAVE FOLKS ON STAFF THAT SHOULD GO OUT AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AS WELL. LIKE FOR INSTANCE, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT DO CONSTRUCTION OVERSIGHT. IF THAT'S HAPPENED, THIS IS THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD OF IT. MR. SMITH, MAY I ASK YOU THIS? AND I KNOW NOT TO YOU GUYS, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF CURBSIDE THAT'S JUST FULL OF GRASS. DUKE CAN DO WE TAKE CARE OF THAT, OR DO WE HAVE SOMEBODY THAT CAN GO OUT AND START CLEANING THAT UP? WE WE DO. I WILL SAY THAT OUR STAFF IS SOMEWHAT LIMITED ON THAT. BUT YEAH, THAT BEING SAID, AND NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, I DO PLAN ON PUTTING WHAT I WOULD CALL A RIGHT OF WAY CREW. THAT IS A SPECIFIC RIGHT OF WAY CREW THAT WOULD GO OUT AND HANDLE THINGS LIKE THIS. AND QUITE FRANKLY, IT WILL PROBABLY TAKE TWO WITH AS MANY SQUARE MILES OF ROAD, I'M SORRY, AS MANY LINEAR FEET OR LANE MILE OF STREET THAT WE HAVE. WE COULD EASILY USE PROBABLY TWICE THAT MANY. BUT LET'S, YOU KNOW, LET'S START WITH SOMETHING AND PERHAPS AND AGAIN, LET'S CALL IT A RIGHT OF WAY CREW THAT WOULD GO OUT AND HANDLE SOME OF THESE AREAS, NOT JUST ON THE STREET SIDE, BUT EVEN ON THE MAYBE OUT IN THE ALLEY SIDE WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME ILLEGAL DUMPING. I KNOW WE'VE KIND OF GONE OFF A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT DOES ADDRESS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, GRASS AND THE CURB LINE. SO IN THE CURB AND GUTTER ON THE ON THE CITY SIDE OF THE CURB IS WHAT I'M HEARING, THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD ADDRESS. AND, AND THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED ANYTIME WE PUT DOWN AGAIN, A SEALCOAT MATERIAL, YOU WOULD NEVER WANT TO PUT THAT ON TOP OF GRASS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT STUFF, THOSE CRACKS NEED TO BE BLOWN OUT AND THINGS LIKE THAT, SO THAT THERE IS NO MATERIAL THERE SO THAT THOSE CAN BE PROPERLY SEALED UP. OKAY. THANK YOU.

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OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR THE REPORT. WE APPRECIATE IT. LET'S GO TO

[4. Presentation and discuss a proposed 55+ affordable rental housing community.]

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THE PRESENTATION AND DISCUSS A PROPOSED 55 PLUS AFFORDABLE RENTAL HOUSING COMMUNITY LIST. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE MICHAEL BEARD, WHO IS PRESENTING YANNI CAPITAL DEVELOPMENT. HE'S HERE TO PRESENT 55 AND PLUS APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT. AND THIS IS GOING TO BE LOCATED AT 4707 MAPLE AVENUE. HIS REQUEST IS TO JUST GET A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM COUNCIL. AND IF THAT'S IF YOU AGREE FOR TO SUPPORT, THEN WE WILL PUT IT ON OUR NEXT CITY COUNCIL AGENDA. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, MY NAME IS MICHAEL BEARD WITH BECO CONSULTING. I APPRECIATE YOU ALL GIVING ME THE CHANCE TO TALK TO YOU ALL TODAY. JUST KIND OF A SHOW OF HANDS. WHO'S FAMILIAR WITH THE TAX CREDIT PROGRAM AS IT RELATES TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON STAFF? OKAY. ONE PERSON OKAY. SO THIS IS JUST LIKE ANY OTHER TAX CREDIT THAT YOU WOULD GET, YOU KNOW, SOLAR CREDITS OR HISTORICAL CREDITS OR EARNED INCOME CREDITS. IT'S IT'S A PART OF THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE. SO THAT'S THE FINANCING MECHANISM THAT WE WILL USE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. IF WE BUILD AND PROMISE TO OPERATE THIS AT BELOW MARKET RENTS, WE WILL ELIGIBLE WE WILL BE ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE TAX CREDITS FROM THE FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

AND WE WILL SELL THOSE CREDITS TO AN INVESTOR, WHICH IS GENERALLY A BANK, BECAUSE THEY NEED TO HAVE THEY NEED TO REINVEST IN COMMUNITIES. AND THIS IS ONE OF THE WAYS THAT THEY CAN MEET THEIR CRA REQUIREMENT. AND SO THEY'LL BUY INTO A PARTNERSHIP WITH EQUITY.

AND SO THEN WE WON'T NEED AS BIG OF A LOAN TO SERVICE THE DEBT. AND THAT'S HOW WE CAN OPERATE THIS AT BELOW MARKET RENTS. THAT'S THE WHOLE PROGRAM IN A NUTSHELL. A CPA SECTION 42 OF THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE. THAT'S HOW I GOT INTO THIS. SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS TO DEVELOP A 55 PLUS COMMUNITY. YOU CAN CHOOSE THE TARGET POPULATION. WHENEVER YOU APPLY FOR THIS. YOU CAN GO FOR GENERAL OCCUPANCY OR YOU CAN GO FOR ELDERLY, WHICH WOULD BE 55 PLUS. NOW WITH THAT ELECTION WITH THE STATE AGENCY, IT'S IRREVOCABLE. WE CAN'T CHANGE FROM A SENIOR COMMUNITY TO A GENERAL OCCUPANCY ONCE WE'VE MADE THAT ELECTION. AND WE HAVE ALREADY DONE THAT WITH STATE AGENCY, WITH THE 55 PLUS COMMUNITY, AT LEAST ONE RESIDENT IN EVERY UNIT NEEDS TO BE 55 OR OLDER. THERE IS A HOLD HARMLESS IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH LEASING THEM UP AFTER SIX MONTHS, YOU CAN A LOT, A LITTLE BIT. I THINK IT'S 10 OR 15% FOR GENERAL OCCUPANCY, BUT WE DON'T ANTICIPATE HAVING ANY ISSUE WITH LEASING THIS UP AS THERE IS ONLY ONE OTHER RECENT DEVELOPMENT THAT IS 55 PLUS IN ODESSA, AND I DID NOT WRITE THE NAME OF IT DOWN. I APOLOGIZE, BUT IT IS ON. DO YOU KNOW IT? MAGNOLIA, MAGNOLIA. THERE YOU GO. SO IF PEOPLE WANT TO SEE A TAX CREDIT 55 PLUS COMMUNITY, THIS IS NOT OUR PRODUCT. BUT THEY CAN GO VISIT MAGNOLIA WHICH IS HERE I BELIEVE IT WAS 2021 WAS WHEN IT WAS AWARDED.

SO IT SHOULD ONLY BE A FEW YEARS OLD. WE ARE LOCATED AT APPROXIMATELY 4707 MAPLE AVENUE.

IT'S JUST ON THE NORTH END OF MAPLE WHERE IT INTERSECTS WITH THAT, THAT CHURCH THERE AND MEMORIAL PARK AND ALL THAT. THIS WAS A FORMER DRILL SITE. I'M GOING TO PUT EVERYONE ON NOTICE. IT HAS BEEN CAPPED AND IT HAS BEEN REZONED WITH THE CITY TO SF 22, I BELIEVE. DON'T HOLD ME TO THAT. SO CITY HAS ALREADY DEEMED IT APPROPRIATE FOR HOUSING AND WE WOULD NEED TO REZONE IT TO BE MULTIFAMILY. SHOULD WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT. IT WOULD BE A GARDEN STYLE COMMUNITY. WHEN SPEAKING WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, THEY SAID WE COULD GO UP TO FOUR STORIES IF WE GET REZONED. WE WERE ANTICIPATING ONLY BEING ABLE TO GO UP TO THREE, BUT IF WE CAN GO UP TO FOUR, WE COULD PROBABLY CAP OUT THE UNIT COUNT AT ABOUT 90 UNITS, DEPENDING ON THE MARKET STUDY, DEPENDING ON THE NUMBERS, DEPENDING ON HOW COMPETITIVE IT IS, WE MIGHT WANT TO GO UP TO THAT NUMBER. GIVEN THERE'S BEEN SO FEW DEVELOPMENTS OF THIS TYPE IN ODESSA IN RECENT YEARS. THAT'S THE LOCATION, AS YOU CAN SEE.

AND I'M SORRY, CAN YOU ALL SEE THIS ON Y'ALL'S COMPUTERS AS WELL? THAT IS A VERY PRELIMINARY AERIAL OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. ONE POINT OF INGRESS EGRESS, UNFORTUNATELY.

BUT I BELIEVE THE PORTION OF THE SITE THAT'S BEING CARVED OUT TO THE EAST IS SPECIFICALLY CARVED OUT TO ALLOW Y'ALL TO DEVELOP AN ALLEYWAY THERE, LIKE Y'ALL DO WITH ALL THE OTHER KIND OF ACCESS POINTS. SO THAT WILL BIFURCATE BETWEEN THE THE CHURCH AND OUR PROPOSED

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DEVELOPMENT THERE. THIS IS THE ELEVATIONS OF AN AWARD THAT WE JUST GOT IN BIG SPRING LAST YEAR, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE CLOSING ON THAT IN BY JULY OF THIS YEAR. SO. THIS DEVELOPER IS VERY INTERESTED IN THIS AREA. IN FACT, WHEN I LEAVE HERE, WE'RE GOING TO BIG SPRING FOR PHASE TWO. HE VERY MUCH LIKES THE, YOU KNOW, WEST TEXAS VIBE. WITH IT BEING A 55 PLUS COMMUNITY, WE WOULD NOT HAVE MORE THAN IT WOULD BE ONE AND TWO BEDROOMS. THAT WOULD BE OUR UNIT COUNT. OBVIOUSLY IN A ONE BEDROOM YOU COULDN'T GO MORE THAN TWO OCCUPANTS IN A TWO BEDROOM. GENERALLY THE AGENCY LIMITS YOU TO 1.5 OCCUPANTS PER ROOM, SO IF YOU HAVE A TWO BEDROOM, YOU'D BE GENERALLY CAPPED OUT AT LIKE THREE OCCUPANTS. SINCE WE ARE GOING MULTI-STORY, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE ELEVATORS AND IT IS 100% ADA COMPLIANT. HIGH TOILETS, POOL BARS, FIRE SPRINKLERS WE HAVE TO BUILD TO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE CITY STANDARDS, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE HIGHLY AMENITIZED TO BE COMPETITIVE, WHICH WOULD MEAN, YOU KNOW, NINE FOOT PLUS CEILINGS, LVP FLOORING, SHAKER CABINETS, YOU KNOW, HARD STONE COUNTERTOPS.

GENERALLY WE WOULD PICK BETWEEN GRANITE OR QUARTZ, DEPENDING ON COST SAVINGS. EVERY FLOOR IS GOING TO HAVE A COMMUNITY SPACE. SO WHEN YOU WALK IN UNDER THAT PORCHETTA, THAT'S GOING TO BE THE LEASE OFFICE. AND WE'LL HAVE A FITNESS FACILITY THERE. AND THEN SECOND FLOOR, WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE A COMMUNITY ROOM AND POSSIBLY WITH A FOOD WARMING STATION. SO IF THE RESIDENTS WANT TO HAVE POTLUCKS AND WHATNOT, THEY CAN DO THAT THERE. AND THEN THE THIRD STORY, WE HAVEN'T DECIDED WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THAT. AS FAR AS AMENITIES ON THE SITE, WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO DO A DOG PARK, PARK OR COMMUNITY GARDEN OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. MAYBE NOT A COMMUNITY GARDEN GIVEN WATER SCARCITY, BUT WE'LL, YOU KNOW, WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT.

SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE NOTED. THE EVERYTHING THAT WE WERE PROMISED TO THE STATE AGENCY IN OUR FULL APPLICATION ACTUALLY, LET ME BACK UP. Y'ALL JUST RECEIVED NOTICES LAST WEEK. WE HAD TO SUBMIT THOSE NOTICES WHEN WE SUBMITTED OUR PRE-APPLICATION TO TDCA. WE DID THAT ON FRIDAY OF LAST WEEK. SOMETIME THIS WEEK THEY'RE GOING TO POST THE LOG FOR EVERYONE THAT'S APPLIED FOR THIS THIS PROGRAM. WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT LOG, WE'RE GOING TO COMPARE HOW WELL WE SIT AGAINST OTHER APPLICANTS IN REGION 12 URBAN. THAT IS THE REGION THAT Y'ALL SIT IN. IF WE ARE THE HIGHEST APPLICANT OR HAVE A HIGH LIKELIHOOD OF GETTING AWARDED, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FULL APPLICATION. AND THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD NEED TO COME BACK AND ASK FOR SUPPORT FROM Y'ALL, BECAUSE THIS IS A POINT SCORING SYSTEM TO GET AWARDED. AND Y'ALL SUPPORT IS A 17 POINT CATEGORY. IT'S THE SECOND HIGHEST POINT CATEGORY THERE IS ON THE SHAPE. SO THE STATE AGENCY VERY MUCH WANTS TO KNOW YOU'RE PUTTING DEVELOPMENTS WHERE THE CITIES WANT THEM. AND WE WOULDN'T WANT TO BE HERE IF Y'ALL DON'T WANT US TO BE QUITE HONEST. THESE HERE ARE THE RENTS AND INCOME LIMITS THAT ARE CURRENTLY RESTRICTED FOR FOR ODESSA. SO MARKET RATE UNITS WE WOULD NOT GO OVER 10% MARKET RATE. THEN THE REMAINDER WOULD BE LIMITED TO 60% OR BELOW ON BOTH RENTS AND INCOMES. MY EYES ARE GOOD, BUT NOT THAT GOOD. IT LOOKS LIKE 60% OF ONE PERSON INDIVIDUAL CAN MAKE APPROXIMATELY 39,000 40,000, A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN THAT AND BE ELIGIBLE TO RENT THIS. SO IF YOU'RE THINKING OF SENIOR POPULATION ON FIXED INCOME, SOCIAL SECURITY, OR, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE INCOME THRESHOLD FOR AN INDIVIDUAL TO BE ELIGIBLE, A FAMILY OF TWO, IT LOOKS LIKE 45,100 WOULD BE ELIGIBLE TO TO RENT IN THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX. SO YOU SEE THESE ARE INCOME EARNING INDIVIDUALS. THIS IS NOT HAND ME OUT TYPE DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS NOT SECTION EIGHT HOUSING. THIS IS FOR THOSE THAT HAVE MEANS BUT ARE JUST HOUSE COST BURDENED IS REALLY WHAT THIS IS FOR. AND THEN THE RENTS YOU COULD SEE THERE FOR ONE BEDROOM. OH MAN, I'M REALLY SQUINTING HERE. 1068 I THINK IS WHAT THAT SAYS. PLEASE HELP ME, I CAN'T SEE.

AND THEN A TWO BEDROOM FOR THE 60% RENT. IT'S A 158. THERE YOU GO. SO THOSE WOULD BE THE RENTS AT THE 60%. THEN THERE WOULD BE A SMALL PORTION AT 50% AND AN EVEN SMALLER PORTION AT 30% OF THOSE LEVELS. BUT THE BALANCE, APPROXIMATELY 75% OF THE UNIT COUNT IS GOING TO BE AT THAT 60% LEVELS. JUST TO KIND OF LET YOU KNOW. SO WITH THE UNIT COUNT GETTING BUMPED UP TO 90, WE COULD VERY WELL BE IN THAT 20 TO 22, 20 TO 22 MILLION. IF IT'S 72, IT'LL BE LESS AND SO FORTH AND SO ON. OF THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT THERE, THIS REGION IS ELIGIBLE FOR $2 MILLION IN TAX

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CREDITS ANNUALLY FOR TEN YEARS. SO IF WE CAN RECEIVE A FULL AWARD, WE WOULD GET $20 MILLION IN TAX CREDITS. THE INVESTOR WOULD BUY THAT AT APPROXIMATELY, LET'S CALL IT $0.80 TO THE DOLLAR. AND THEN THE DELTA FROM THAT EQUITY IS WHAT WE WOULD HAVE AS OUR PERM LOAN ON THAT.

AND THAT'S HOW WE CAN OPERATE THIS AS AN AFFORDABLE COMPLEX. THAT BANK WOULD ENTER INTO A PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT WITH THE DEVELOPER. AND AND THAT WOULD BE WHAT OWNS THIS ASSET. THAT WOULD BE THE LIMITED PARTNER. I'M HERE TO TALK TO YOU ALL ABOUT THIS. AND, YOU KNOW, REALLY AT THIS POINT, I'M GOING TO OPEN IT UP FOR YOU ALL TO ASK QUESTIONS. GIVEN HOW SO FEW OF YOU ALL HAVE BEEN INTRODUCED TO THIS PROGRAM IN RECENT YEARS. THANK YOU. MARK, LET ME ASK YOU A FEW. I'VE GOT A COUPLE LETTERS FROM NEARBY RESIDENTS THAT SENT ME CONCERNS, AND SO I KNOW YOUR BENEFITS. WE JUST ADDRESSED THEM, THE CITY. WE APPRECIATE THAT AND WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, TRUST ME. BUT THERE ARE SOME NEIGHBORS THAT HAD SOME CONCERNS. THERE'S A IT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM WESTMINSTER, BUT TO THE SOUTH OF THERE'S NIMITZ SAY JUNIOR HIGH WAS REALLY MIDDLE SCHOOL. YEAH, I GUESS IT'S CALLED I'M STILL CALLED JUNIOR HIGH TO ME. BUT AT ANY RATE, THEY WERE CONCERNED AND THEY THREE, THREE ISSUES. I JUST WANT YOU TO ADDRESS THEM SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND. THE FIRST ONE IS.

POTENTIAL INCREASE IN NEIGHBORHOOD CRIME PATTERNS. THAT'S ONE CRIME PATTERNS INCREASING CRIME. TWO THE NEGATIVE EFFECT OF PROPERTY VALUES DECREASING FOR LOCAL HOMEOWNERS. NUMBER THREE, FOR THE SCHOOL CHILDREN, THE SAFETY AND WELL-BEING OF THE KIDS AT NIMITZ. SO THOSE THREE THINGS ARE CONCERNS OF MINE. I JUST WANT TO AT LEAST BE ABLE TO LET YOU ARTICULATE YOUR RESPONSE TO THOSE CONCERNS. SO AGAIN, THIS ISN'T, YOU KNOW, TRADITIONAL TURN OF THE CENTURY HUD HOUSING. THIS WOULD BE A PRIVATELY OWNED ASSET BETWEEN A PRIVATE DEVELOPER AND A BANK THAT INVESTS IN SAID ASSETS. BANKS GENERALLY DON'T LIKE TO INVEST IN THINGS THAT DON'T MAKE ECONOMIC SENSE. SO THAT'S THE FIRST THING THAT I CAN TELL YOU AS FAR AS PROPERTY VALUE DIMINISHING A CPA BY TRADE, I MYSELF HAVE LIVED RIGHT NEXT TO THREE DIFFERENT TAX CREDIT DEVELOPMENTS. CURRENTLY, I LIVE IN SAN MARCOS. THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT CALLED COTTONWOOD CREEK, THE RESERVES AT COTTONWOOD CREEK. IT'S NOT EVEN A MILE. IT'S RIGHT AT THE ENTRANCE TO MY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE HOME AND HAS BEEN THERE SINCE 2022. IT'S NEVER HAD AN EFFECT ON PROPERTY VALUES. THESE ARE THESE.

ACTUALLY, YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO TELL THIS WAS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMUNITY IF YOU DROVE.

THERE'S A LOT OF TAX CREDIT DEVELOPMENTS IN ODESSA. SOME OF THEM ARE OLDER, SOME OF THEM ARE NEWER. BUT I BET YOU IF YOU DROVE AROUND, YOU WOULD BE HARD PRESSED TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A TAX CREDIT DEVELOPMENT AND A MARKET RATE DEVELOPMENT, AND SPECIFICALLY TAX CREDIT DEVELOPMENTS ACTUALLY MAINTAIN BETTER THAN MARKET RATE DEVELOPMENTS. THAT'S BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE STATE INVESTING CREDITS INTO THIS. YOU'VE GOT AN EQUITY INVESTOR THAT'S BUYING THOSE CREDITS AND PUTTING MONEY INTO THE DEVELOPMENT. THE STATE HAS TO COME OUT AT LEAST ONCE EVERY TWO YEARS AND INSPECT THE PROPERTY. AND THE INVESTOR IS GOING TO REQUIRE YOU TO MAINTAIN RESERVES, AND THERE'S GOING TO BE INSPECTIONS BY BOTH THE STATE AGENCY AND THE INVESTOR THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE COMPLIANCE PERIOD OF THE INITIAL 15 YEARS. AND THE EXTENDED USE PERIOD ON THIS WILL GO OUT TO 45 YEARS, WHICH IS RECORDED AT THE COUNTY. SO WHAT WE PROMISE TO DO IS GOING TO BE INKED AND RECORDED AS A SEARCHABLE DOCUMENT ON THIS PARCEL AT THE COUNTY LEVEL THAT SAYS, HERE'S THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ELIGIBLE, HERE'S THE THE NUMBER OF POINTS OF AMENITIES THAT WE'RE PROMISING TO PROVIDE HERE. HERE'S THE INCOME AND RENT RESTRICTION LIMITATIONS AND UNIT MAKES THAT WE'RE PROMISING TO PROVIDE HERE. AND THE STATE AGENCY WILL USE THAT RECORDED DOCUMENT TO COME OUT AND DO COMPLIANCE INSPECTIONS AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT RUNNING AFOUL AND YOU'RE STAYING WITHIN COMPLIANCE OF THAT RESTRICTION AGREEMENT WITH ALL OF THAT. THESE ARE SENIORS. THEY ALREADY LIVE HERE. THEY ARE ON INCOME. THEY YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, YOU CAN HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL 55 PLUS PERSON MAKING JUST UNDER $40,000 A YEAR. THAT COULD BE SOMEONE WHO'S STILL WORKING. MAYBE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY'RE A TEACHER. MAYBE THEY THEY WORK FOR THE CITY OR THEY, THEY ARE ON DISABILITY OR THEY, YOU KNOW, FIXED INCOME FOR SOCIAL SECURITY CRIME IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A GREAT CENSUS TRACT. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE STATE AGENCY INCENTIVIZES YOU TO PUT DEVELOPMENTS IN AREAS THAT ARE WHAT THEY CALL HIGH OPPORTUNITY. SO THIS IS A FIRST QUARTILE CENSUS TRACT, MEANING IT'S IN THE FIRST QUARTILE OF INCOME ACROSS THIS REGION. IT HAS LOW CRIME. IT'S CLOSE TO THREE OF THE FOUR AMENITIES THAT THE STATE REALLY WANTS. IT'S WALKING DISTANCE TO THE PARK, TO THE SCHOOL, INTO THE GROCERY STORE. AND IN A CITY LIKE ODESSA, WHICH IS AN URBAN

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CITY, BUT TO BE 955FT AGGREGATE FROM THOSE THREE AMENITIES IS A PRETTY AMAZING THING. AND IT'S GOING TO BE SENIORS, YOU KNOW? SO MY MOM LIVED IN A TAX CREDIT. HONESTLY, THIS IS MOST OFTEN TIMES IF YOU EVER SEE 55 PLUS ON ANY DEVELOPMENT, IT'S MORE THAN LIKELY AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMUNITY FINANCED WITH TAX CREDITS. AND SO BUT THIS IS REALLY THIS IS THE LAST STEP BEFORE PEOPLE GO INTO NON INDEPENDENT LIVING. THIS IS NOT THIS IS NOT WE ARE NOT GOING TO PROVIDE ANY MEDICAL SERVICES. THIS IS JUST AN APARTMENT COMPLEX FOR SENIORS. THEY GENERALLY BECOME HIGHLY ACTIVE AND SOCIAL TOGETHER. THEY YOU KNOW WE HAVE TO PROVIDE RESIDENT SERVICES TO A CERTAIN TUNE OF POINTS. GENERALLY WHAT WE'LL DO IS WHENEVER IT GETS OCCUPIED, WE'LL HAVE A RESIDENT SERVICES COORDINATOR ON SITE THAT WILL PULL THE THE, THE TENANTS THAT ARE LIVING THERE TO SAY, WHAT DO YOU WANT? DO YOU WANT TO HAVE POTLUCKS? WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE US PICK UP YOUR TRASH AND RECYCLING TWICE A WEEK? LIKE SO MANY SERVICES, WE CAN DO MONTHLY HEALTH SCREENINGS. WE CAN CONTRACT WITH THE THIRD PARTY PROVIDER TO COME OUT AND DO HEALTH SCREENINGS OR HELP YOU WITH TAX PREPARATION. THERE'S A WHOLE SLEW OF THINGS THAT YOU COULD DO HERE. SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THIS IS REALLY MEANT FOR THOSE THAT THAT LIKE I SAID, THEY THEY HAVE AN INCOME. THEY'RE JUST COST BURDENED. AND YOU KNOW, WHO WHO WOULDN'T WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A BRAND NEW, HIGH QUALITY, AFFORDABLE COMMUNITY THAT THAT YOU CAN RETIRE IN AND KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE MAINTAINED. OKAY.

GENTLEMEN, QUESTIONS. I DO HAVE A TRIVIA ONE. YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT, OF COURSE, WITH OUR SUPPORT FOR YOU, YOU COULD EARN MUCH LIKE 17% AND I'M SORRY, 17 REGARDLESS THERE THE THE TAX CREDITS YOU WOULD ACTUALLY NOT UTILIZING THEMSELVES. YOU WOULD ACTUALLY THE BANK WOULD RECEIVE THEM 99.99%. SO SO BECAUSE IT'S A PARTNERSHIP AT LEAST, YOU KNOW JUST A QUESTION OFF OF THAT AND WHERE I'M GETTING FROM THIS, JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, IS THE BANK RECEIVES THOSE CREDITS.

ARE THEY EARMARKED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO THOSE CREDITS WILL GO ON THE BANK'S BALANCE SHEET TO OFFSET THEIR LIABILITY. BUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS WHEN THE INVESTOR THE BANK INVESTS IN THIS, THIS WILL GO TOWARDS THEIR CRA REQUIREMENTS IF THEY HAVE A CRA NEED. SO COMMUNITY REINVESTMENT ACT. IF NOT, IT'S JUST AN ASSET THAT HELPS THEM OFFSET THEIR THEIR EVER PRESENT LIABILITY. GOTCHA. AND THEN THEY CAN ALSO RECEIVE THE LOSSES OF DEPRECIATION. SO YOU KNOW IT'S JUST LIKE ANYONE THAT INVESTS IN REAL ESTATE THERE'S A LOT OF TAX FAVORABLE ASPECTS OF INVESTING IN REAL ESTATE. AND THIS IS JUST ONE FOR THEM TO PROVIDE A NEED AND GET THE TAX AND DEPRECIATION BENEFIT. GOTCHA. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. I JUST HAD A COMMENT TO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING A PROJECT LIKE THIS. WE VISITED EARLIER THE LINE OF WORK I'M IN. THESE ARE THE THE PEOPLE THAT I SERVE. AND YEAH, THE THE ISSUE WE GET INTO IS THAT THERE IS NOWHERE FOR CLIENTS TO GO. SHOULD THEIR HOUSE BE FALLING DOWN AROUND THEM AND, AND THE, THE AGENCY RELIEF OUT THERE TO HELP THEM IS IS KIND OF ASSET POOR AS WELL. SO THE THE TWO COMPLEXES VERA AND MAGNOLIA THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT, YOU KNOW, THEY BOTH HAVE WAITING LISTS AND THE EXISTING COMPLEXES HAVE WAITING LISTS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT THERE ARE PROGRAMS LIKE THIS. IT SOUNDS A LOT LIKE THE NEW MARKET TAX CREDIT THAT. YEAH. YEAH. SO I MEAN THIS DEVELOPER, WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING TO DO A BLEND OF HISTORIC TAX CREDITS WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHERE THAT'S YOU CAN STACK THEM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN DO RENEWABLE ENERGY OR NEW MARKETS, AND YOU CAN HAVE A HAVE DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL A COMMERCIAL COMPONENT REHABBING A CERTIFIED HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND OFFERING AFFORDABILITY. AND THAT'S KIND OF THE BEAUTY OF THIS IS, IS CONGRESS HAS REALIZED THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND THIS HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE 1986. IT WAS ACTUALLY ENACTED IN THE REAGAN ADMINISTRATION, AND IT WAS JUST BOOSTED WITH THE ONE BIG, BEAUTIFUL BUILD. THEY EXPANDED IT. IT YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF ASKS IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COALITION AGAINST SECTION 42 EXPANSION. AND OUT OF ALL THE TAX PROVISIONAL UPDATES, THIS COMPONENT GOT A LOT OF ATTENTION BECAUSE NATIONWIDE, THERE'S A CRISIS. EVER SINCE 2008, WE'VE BEEN BEHIND ON BUILDING, AND IT'S STARTING TO AFFECT ALL INCOME BANDS ACROSS THE ENTIRE COUNTRY. TEXAS USED TO BE SHIELDED. YOU KNOW, I WAS I WAS SAYING TO THE NEWSCAST BEFORE WHEN, WHEN, WHEN I FIRST STARTED DOING THIS IN TEXAS, WHEN I LEFT PUBLIC ACCOUNTING IN 2018, MOST CITIES I WENT TO THROUGHOUT TEXAS DIDN'T REALLY HAVE AN INTEREST IN THIS. BUT

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THAT TUNE HAS CHANGED OVER THE PAST SEVEN YEARS. ALMOST EVERY CITY SAYS WE NEED MORE HOUSING, AND SPECIFICALLY WE NEED MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THOSE THAT THAT HAVE LESS MEANS TO TO BUY IN AND OWN WITHOUT THE CONCERN. SO I'M I'M HAPPY TO DO IT AND I NERD OUT ABOUT THIS. I WOULD LOVE TO TALK ABOUT THIS ALL DAY. BUT BEFORE I GOTTA LEAVE TO GO TO BIXBY, WELL, GENTLEMEN, YOU WERE PUT ON THE DOCKET FOR THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING. SOUND GOOD? THAT'S GOOD, THAT'S GOOD. WE'LL BE ON OUR NEXT AGENDA. THANK YOU. SIR, WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. HEY, I APPRECIATE IT, Y'ALL. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SAFE TRAVELS

[5. Discuss an amendment to the City Code of Ordinances by adopting Article 10-2, Landscaping Requirements for certain nonresidential and multi-family developments, providing purpose, applicability, definitions, design standards, variances, plan submittal and approval procedures, compliance, maintenance and enforcement; providing for appendices; providing a severability clause; and providing an effective date.]

HOME. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE. DISCUSS AN AMENDMENT TO THE CITY CODE OF ORDINANCES BY ADOPTING ARTICLE TEN. TWO LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS FOR CERTAIN NONRESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS, PROVIDING PURPOSE, APPLICABILITY, DEFINITIONS, DESIGN STANDARDS, VARIANCES, PLAN SUBMITTAL AND APPROVAL PROCEDURES. COMPLIANCE, MAINTENANCE AND ENFORCEMENT. PROVIDING FOR APPENDICES, PROVIDING SEVERABILITY CLAUSE AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. LIZ. THANK YOU AGAIN. MAYOR. SO FOR THIS ORDINANCE, WE WANTED TO START TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE'VE DONE AND WHAT WE HAVE ALTERED TO OUR CURRENT LANDSCAPING ORDINANCE. WE WANTED TO ADDRESS CERTAIN GAPS.

WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE BRINGING IN LANDSCAPING TO SOME OF THE AREAS THAT YOU MAY NOT HAVE SEEN, OR TO BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE STRICTER WITH ENFORCEMENT ON IT. AT THE SAME TIME, WE DID NOT WANT TO PUT THE BURDEN OF MAKING THE ORDINANCE SO DRASTIC THAT WE'RE PUTTING A HIGHER COST FOR OUR DEVELOPERS. SO WE WANTED TO BE REASONABLE, BUT ALSO MAKE A DIFFERENCE OF WHAT WE ACTUALLY ARE SEEING IN OUR ENVIRONMENT TODAY. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE SEEING IN THIS NEW ORDINANCE IS THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE PROJECT THAT YOU GUYS JUST HEARD OF, THE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING, OUR OLD ORDINANCE WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO DO NO LANDSCAPING ON IT. SO THIS WOULD INCORPORATE THEM TO BE PART OF THAT. HOWEVER, WE'RE STILL NOT TOUCHING THE INDUSTRIAL AREAS LIKE THE HIGH INDUSTRIAL AREAS. IF YOU GUYS WANT TO WE CAN THAT WOULD WE CAN DISCUSS THAT. THE OTHER THINGS WOULD BE AND WE WANTED TO MAKE IT MORE EASIER FOR OUR DEVELOPERS. ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT WE HEAR IS THAT THEY WANT GUIDANCE. THEY WANTED US TO KIND OF GIVE THEM MORE OF A OF A LIST. WE HAD A LIST OF WHAT NOT TO USE. SO WE WENT THE OPPOSITE WAY. WE CREATED A LIST WHERE NOW THEY CAN SELECT TREES THAT ARE NATIVE HERE THAT WILL SURVIVE THE. YOU KNOW, THAT ARE DROUGHT TOLERANT. WE HAVE SHRUBS, WE HAVE GRAVEL, BUT THERE'S SPECIFIC SIZES. AND WE'LL LATER TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE OF WHY THE SIZE MATTERS. SO THAT'S THE OTHER ITEM THAT WE ENDED UP TALKING. OH HERE WE ARE. STORMWATER AND IRRIGATION STANDARDS. WE HAD IRRIGATION STANDARDS THAT WE WERE PUT IN, BUT IT WASN'T FOR OR INTENDED TO WHEN TO USE IT. SO WE WERE MORE SPECIFIC OF WHEN TO USE IT.

HOWEVER, WHEN YOU DO HAVE THE ZERO SCAPE, YOU DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO, IF YOU DO NOT NEED LIKE A DRIP SYSTEM OR IRRIGATION SYSTEM, YOU CAN HAVE THE ABILITY TO NOT HAVE TO PUT ONE IN BASED ON THE TYPE OF OF PLANTS AND VEGETATION THAT YOU'RE PUTTING IN. WHEN IT CAME TO THE GRAVEL, ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES THAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING IS THAT IT TENDS TO GO INTO OUR INLETS OR IN OUR CANALS. SO THEREFORE THE SIZES WERE NOT THE RIGHT SIZE BASICALLY. SO WE NOW HAVE A MINIMUM STANDARDS OF WHAT THOSE HAVE TO BE. THIS IS, I THINK, THE BEST ONE. WE HAD NO FLEXIBILITY IN OURS. SO THIS ALLOWS NOW TO GIVE OUR PLANNING MANAGER THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO, AT THE TIME WITH THE DEVELOPER, SAY, OKAY, WE CAN LOOK AT THIS DEVELOPMENT DIFFERENTLY IF, FOR EXAMPLE, IT MIGHT REQUIRE YOU TO PUT FOUR TREES, BUT THERE'S REALLY NO ROOM TO ADD ONE TREE IN THERE. SO CAN YOU GIVE ME MORE SHRUBS? CAN YOU DO SOMETHING ELSE? SO YOU NOW COME UP. WE STILL WANT THE BEAUTIFICATION. WE STILL WANT YOU TO COMPLY. BUT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO TAKE THEM TO ZBA BOARD. WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO TAKE THEM TO CITY MANAGER IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO MAKE CHANGES. BUT NOW IT'S DONE WITH

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CITY STAFF. SUBMITTALS. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IN ORDER TO BE MORE EFFICIENT, WE WERE CLEAR OF WHAT WAS REQUIRED FOR THEM IN ORDER FOR. SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE ANY VAGUE QUESTIONS OF WHAT WAS REQUIRED. AND WE BELIEVE THAT BY US MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS IN THERE, WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE WILL EXPEDITE THAT PROCESS. AND EVERYBODY HAS A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THEY NEED TO BE SUBMITTING. SO THAT PRETTY MUCH SUMS EVERYTHING UP RIGHT NOW FOR OUR UPDATED LANDSCAPING. HOWEVER, I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE AN UPCOMING MEETING, AND SO IF YOU WANT TO ADD MORE TO IT, WE CAN BE MORE RESTRICTIVE. AND WHAT I SAY BY THAT IS THAT IF YOU DECIDE THAT WE WANT TO FOCUS ON CORRIDORS AND CORRIDORS WANT YOU WANT TO SEE THEM MORE WITH LANDSCAPING, WE ALREADY HAVE THAT READY TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO IT. IF YOU DECIDE THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE GATEWAYS INTO OUR CITY, HOW DO YOU WANT THAT TO LOOK? WE ALREADY HAVE THAT ALSO READY TO GO. SO WE WORKED WITH OUR THIRD PARTY IN ORDER TO CREATE THOSE TO BE EASY, TO JUST PLUG IN AND COME HERE AND PRESENT TO YOU BEFORE WE ADOPT SOMETHING OF HOW THAT WOULD WORK. OKAY. ALL RIGHT GUYS, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? SO I WAS THIS IS ONLY APPLIES TO IT SAYS NEW NON RESIDENTIAL AND MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. WE DON'T GET INTO SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING. RIGHT. BUT IS THERE A YOU KNOW I'D ASKED ABOUT THE LAUNDROMAT THAT'S GOING IN ON GRANT. LIKE IS THERE A CIRCUMSTANCE THAT IF THEY'VE REDONE 90% OF THE BUILDING THAT IT COUNTS, OR IS IT JUST SO SO IN THOSE CASES, IT'S BASED ON WHAT THEY'RE ADDING. SO LET'S SAY THAT YOU HAVE AN EXISTING BUILDING AND YOU'RE ADDING TO IT. IT'S JUST THE PERCENTAGE THAT YOU'RE ADDING THAT THAT REQUIRES YOU TO HAVE LANDSCAPING BASED ON THAT PERCENTAGE. SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE CORRIDORS, HOW DOES THAT COME INTO PLAY? SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVEN'T INCORPORATED THE CORRIDORS. WE HAVE ALL THAT WRITTEN OUT. BUT ON WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SEEING TODAY DOES NOT INCORPORATE THAT. WE HAVE IT READY FOR YOU, BUT WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR THE VISION OF WHERE YOU WANT TO GO. AND THEN WE'LL ADD THAT PORTION INTO IT. WE WANT TO KNOW HOW LANDSCAPE ORDINANCES CAN BE VERY CONTROVERSIAL. QUITE FRANKLY, IT CAN'T BE BECAUSE YOU'RE REQUIRING IN SOME CASES TO NOT GRANDFATHER PEOPLE RIGHT. WHERE YOU'RE YOU COULD YOU COULD WRITE THIS ORDINANCE WHERE IT SAYS, HEY, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE A BUSINESS AND IT'S BEEN COMPLETELY JUST ASPHALT SINCE 1960, BUT WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE YOU TO MOVE MOVING FORWARD BY DATE, CERTAIN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME LANDSCAPING THAT COULD BE PRETTY CONTROVERSIAL. SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS A DESIRE TO HAVE SOME LANDSCAPE ORDINANCES, PROBABLY WELL OVER A YEAR AGO. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN YOU ALL MAYBE LOOKED AT THIS, MAYBE BEFORE MANY OF YOU WERE ACTUALLY ON THE COUNCIL, AND THEN WE EVEN HIRED DUNAWAY TO LOOK AT A LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE AND GIVE US A BASICALLY A DRAFT, IF YOU WILL. AND FROM THERE, THEY GAVE US ONE THAT WAS PRETTY RESTRICTIVE. AND SO THAT'S REALLY KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT. WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND FROM THE COUNCIL, HOW FAR DO YOU WANT US TO GO WITH THIS, IF AT ALL? IS THERE A DESIRE FROM THE COUNCIL TO HAVE A LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE MOVING FORWARD? DO YOU WANT IT TO BE RETRO? DO YOU WANT IT TO BE RETRO? DO YOU WANT TO? DO YOU WANT TO INCLUDE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT GRANDFATHERED? OR DO YOU WANT THIS TO JUST APPLY TO PEOPLE WITH NEW DEVELOPMENT MOVING FORWARD? DO YOU WANT TO REQUIRE EVERYBODY ALONG THE CORRIDOR TO DO IT, WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE LANDSCAPING OR NOT? OR DO YOU JUST WANT FOLKS THAT ARE NEW BUSINESSES IN THOSE CORRIDORS TO, TO, TO FOR IT TO APPLY TO OR OTHER. SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS WE NEED TO DISCUSS ABOUT HOW HOW HOW FAR DO YOU WANT TO GO WITH THIS LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE? WHAT DO YOU WANT TO REQUIRE AND NOT REQUIRE OF IT? AND BASICALLY, IF WE CAN GET SOME GUIDANCE FROM THE COUNCIL, WELL, LISTEN, IF YOU ALL FEEL OR IF THE VAST MAJORITY OF YOU FEEL, MAJORITY OF YOU FEEL THAT WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH LANDSCAPING, WE'LL DO THAT. I THINK STAFF AND MY PERSPECTIVE IS LET'S PROBABLY RIGHTSIZE IT FOR WEST TEXAS. AND I THINK THAT'S A WAY OF ME JUST SAYING WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND KEEP IT A COMMON SENSE APPROACH AND PROBABLY NOT GO AND REQUIRE SOMEBODY WHO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WHO'S HAD AN ASPHALT PARKING LOT SINCE 1960, PROBABLY FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO SAY, YOU

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KNOW WHAT, YOU GOT TO CHANGE YOUR WAYS. YOU GOT TO PUT IN SOME SOME LANDSCAPING. AND BY THE WAY, IT'S GOT TO BE DONE IN A YEAR. I DON'T KNOW THAT. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE READY FOR THAT. BUT BUT AGAIN, OUR JOB IS TO JUST CARRY OUT THE POLICIES THAT THE COUNCIL MAKES MOVING FORWARD. SO FROM COUNCIL, FROM FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, IT REALLY IS IN YOUR HANDS ON HOW YOU WANT THIS POLICY, AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS. HOW DO YOU WANT THIS POLICY TO LOOK MOVING FORWARD. SO WE'RE BASICALLY JUST LOOKING FOR SOME GUIDANCE. AND AGAIN I THINK FROM FROM I GUESS FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WHAT I'M THINKING OF IS THAT THIS PROBABLY JUST NEEDS TO APPLY TO NEW BUSINESSES, NEW CONSTRUCTION. IF IT'S NEW, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MEET THIS MINIMUM STANDARD OF LANDSCAPE. AND IF YOU'RE IF IT'S NOT, IT'S OLD AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO WORRY ABOUT TOO MUCH. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS THIS IS THE POLICY SIDE OF THIS THAT WE NEED SOME GUIDANCE ON. SO WHAT WE NEED TO BRING THIS UP DURING OUR RETREAT, I WAS GOING TO SAY SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD RETREAT. MAY BE THE BETTER APPROACH, BUT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, IF YOU EVER SAY THE WORD RETROACTIVE, MY PRESENCE, I'M GOING TO CHOKE YOU OUT. I DO NOT NOT YOU CANNOT GIVE SOMEBODY A RULE AND THEN CHANGE THE RULE LATER ON.

THAT'S THAT'S TO ME IS WRONG. SO THIS TO ME ONLY CAN APPLY TO NEW CONSTRUCTION PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO KNOW IT'S THERE WHERE THEY CAN, IT'LL APPLY TO THEM. AND THAT'S WHAT STAFF. THAT'S RIGHT. BUT GATEWAYS TO THE CITY THAT KIND OF SEE I MEAN, AGAIN, IF WE'RE PLANNING IT NEW AND, YOU KNOW, UP FRONT WHAT YOU GOT TO DO, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY SOME GOOD IDEA, RIGHT? I MEAN, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. AND BUT I DO WANT EVERYONE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY. AND SO WE'RE ONLY TWO WEEKS AWAY FROM THE RETREAT, RIGHT? I MEAN, SO I THINK WE PUT IT ON THE RETREAT AGENDA TO HAVE EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY THINK. BUT NOW THAT WE'VE HEARD IT, LET US THINK ABOUT IT. BECAUSE I DIDN'T I DIDN'T READ IT. I WASN'T EXACTLY SURE WHY I WAS THERE. I DON'T REMEMBER TALKING ABOUT IT, BUT FRANKLY, IT'S ON THERE BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK, IT'S PROBABLY BEEN TWO YEARS NOW THAT DUNAWAY WAS ENGAGED TO START THIS PROCESS. SO BASICALLY JUST WANTING TO KIND OF CIRCLE BACK AND CLOSE THE LOOP ON WHAT THE CITY SPENT MONEY ON AND NOT TO SAY. AND THERE ARE GOOD THINGS IN THAT. MASTER PLAN OR OR. YEAH. SO THERE'S GOOD THINGS IN IT. IS IT IS IT PERFECT FOR ODESSA? I DON'T THINK SO. THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO RIGHTSIZE FOR ODESSA. YES, I THINK THERE ARE. AND I THINK THEY TOOK A VERY COMMON SENSE APPROACH. AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, WHEN THEY LOOKED AT IT TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS REALLY FITS ODESSA. THIS ONE PROBABLY DOESN'T. BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THIS GOES INTO, HEY, WHAT DO WE WANT ODESSA TO LOOK LIKE IN THREE YEARS, FIVE YEARS AND 20 YEARS? AND AND THOSE ARE BIG. THOSE ARE BIG POLICY QUESTIONS THAT I THINK ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THE RETREAT.

OKAY. AND IN THAT ONE, IT ALSO APPLIES IN THERE THAT YOU CAN THINK ABOUT IS WHEN THEY BRING BIG MASTER PLANS OF SUBDIVISIONS, DO YOU WANT TO REQUIRE CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PARK PATHS, BIKE PATHS, THAT KIND OF ENVIRONMENT. AND THAT WOULD COME OUT OF THE UDC, THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, FOR INSTANCE, IF WE MOVE DOWN THAT PATH WITH THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE TO SAY, HEY, ALL MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITIES NEED TO HAVE CERTAIN LANDSCAPE ELEMENTS TO THEM. BUT YOU SAID YOU CUT OUT RESIDENTIAL. WE'VE NEVER HAD RESIDENTIAL.

UNDERSTAND? CORRECT. HE WAS JUST SAYING THAT'S FOR MASTER PLAN LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.

YES. RESIDENTIAL. SO THAT'S ALL I'M LOOKING AT. SO I HAVE A REAL PROBLEM WITH WITH THAT THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS. I THINK THAT THAT'S WHERE MOST OF OUR UGLINESS COMES FROM, BECAUSE MOST OF THOSE AREAS THAT I SEE THAT ARE UNKEPT ARE BETWEEN A SIDEWALK AND A FENCE, AND NOBODY MAINTAINS IT. SO THE CITY HAS TO DO IT. SO I JUST THINK THAT'S A REAL PROBLEM. I THINK LETTING THE DEVELOPER AND ALL FOR THE DEVELOPERS, DON'T GET ME WRONG, BUT AND I KNOW LAND IS MONEY, BUT WE CUT OUT. WE'VE CUT OUT ALLEYS FOR THAT VERY REASON. BUT AROUND THE DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY NEED TO BE INCLUDED PERSONALLY BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T, THEN THEY'RE NOT CONSCIENTIOUS ENOUGH. SOME PEOPLE ARE NOT TO MAKE THEIR PROPERTY LOOK GOOD.

AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE SAID IT SINCE SINCE LARRY BUILT PARKS BELL, THAT OUGHT TO BE THE MODEL FOR ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT WE HAVE. THAT OUGHT TO BE THE MODEL BECAUSE IT'S CLEAN AND IT'S ALL DONE THE SAME ALL THE WAY THROUGH THERE. AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS VERY, VERY IT'S KEPT UP WELL. AND BY THE SAME TOKEN, YOU DRIVE DOWN AROUND EAST RIDGE AND ROCKY LANE AND ALL DOWN IN THERE. WHEN THEY HAD A SHILOH, YOU HAD A CHANCE TO DO THAT THERE. AND THEY THEY BLEW IT. YEAH. IN MY OPINION, IT'S ALL AROUND. THAT AREA IS JUST IT'S HOPSCOTCHED AND IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD. AND WE CAN ADD THAT IN IF THAT'S WHERE YOU WANT TO GO. SURE.

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OKAY. AND JUST FOR YOU, BECAUSE I, WE KEPT YOU IN MIND, WE MADE SURE IN OUR ENFORCEMENT WAS THERE. THAT'S A BIG WORD. ENFORCEMENT IS A BIG WORD. YEAH. IT'S A BIG JOB. YEAH. SO I DID I WAS CURIOUS ONE ONE LAST QUESTION GOING ON THE THE GOING FORWARD. IS THERE LANGUAGE IN HERE ABOUT. YEAH THAT'S GREAT NEW BUSINESS. HERE YOU GO. PUT ALL THIS STUFF IN. BUT WHAT HAPPENS 234 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD WHEN THAT BUSH TREE SHRUB IS DEAD. SO THAT'S WHY WE ENHANCED OUR ENFORCEMENT PART TO IT. WE ACTUALLY PUT IT INTO OUR DEPARTMENT BECAUSE BEFORE WE WERE RELYING ON OTHER DEPARTMENTS TO HELP WITH THAT. SO WE ACTUALLY PUT IT IN OURS WHERE IF YOU CALLED IN A COMPLAINT, WE CAN ACTUALLY SEND OUT A NOTICE, AND THEN WE UP TO TWO NOTICES. THERE'S FOUR TREES. THERE ARE CERTAIN TIME OF THE YEAR THAT YOU WANT TO PLANT THEM. SO AS LONG AS THEY HAVE A PLAN, IF WE SEND THEM A NOTIFICATION THAT YOUR TREE HAS DIED AND WE'RE IN THE WRONG SEASON, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO PUT IT WHEN IT'S THE THE SEASON TO PLANT. AND THAT LANGUAGE IS IN HERE. YES IT IS. IT'S IN THE LAST.

THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT HAPPENING NOW I CAN TELL YOU. OH I KNOW IT WASN'T IN OUR ORDINANCE BEFORE THIS CHAIR. SIX YEARS IN THOSE SAME FOUR DEAD TREES FROM THE DOLLAR GENERAL ON EAST RIDGE ARE STILL SITTING THERE. LIKE I SAID, WE WE KEPT YOU IN MIND THROUGH LIKE THREE CYCLES OR FOUR CYCLES. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. YES. SO WE PUT IT IN HERE BECAUSE I HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AND IT'S JUST EMBARRASSING. YEAH. PLASTIC BOTTLES AND DEAD TREES. THANK YOU KNOW. ALL RIGHT. LET'S PUT IT ON THE MAYOR. MAYOR AGENDA. MAYOR, JUST A COMMENT, SIR. I THINK SHE'S ON TO SOMETHING. AND I'M THINKING FOR THE FUTURE JUST AS WELL. GUIDANCE FOR THE FUTURE.

AND I KNOW OUR DEVELOPERS WOULD APPRECIATE SOMETHING. LOGIC. AND IF YOU'RE SPENDING MONEY, YOU KNOW, OKAY, WE CAN DO THIS AND THIS AND WE'RE GOOD, THAT TYPE OF THING. SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD APPROACH. BUT AS FAR AS GATEWAYS AND CORRIDORS, LET'S LOOK AT THAT TOO. ABSOLUTELY.

WELL AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, IF IT IS NOT RETROACTIVE FOR EXISTING BUSINESSES TO FIND A WAY, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY LIKE THAT 385 CORRIDOR TO INCENTIVIZE IT WITH THE FACADE OR INFRASTRUCTURE GRANT TO SAY, LOOK, WE CAN WE CAN HELP THESE BUSINESSES OUTSIDE OF THE FACADE GRANT WITH LANDSCAPING GRANT OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT IS TO HELP IMPROVE THESE GATEWAYS. YEAH. OR PERHAPS RIGHT OF WAY IMPROVEMENT AS WELL. RIGHT.

SIDEWALK STREETSCAPE OR SOMETHING ALONG THROUGH THE THROUGH THE RIGHT OF WAYS. YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU I APPRECIATE IT. I LOOK FORWARD TO TALKING ABOUT IT MORE. LET'S

[6. Discuss Accessory Dwelling Units (ADU).]

GO TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX. DISCUSS ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, ADUS. AARON. SURE. LET'S GET I THINK THE FIRST THING WE JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS REALLY WHAT THE CURRENT DEFINITION IS. LET'S KIND OF GO DOWN ONE MORE SLIDE THERE. ALL RIGHT. SO YOU KNOW WHAT IS AN ADU. OBVIOUSLY THESE ARE SELF-CONTAINED UNITS. THINK OF ADUS. AND OBVIOUSLY THIS IS IN YOUR PACKET TO TAKE A LOOK AT. BUT THINK OF YOU KNOW THESE MIGHT BE A MOTHER IN LAW QUARTERS OR SOMEPLACE THAT YOU KNOW, THAT YOUR GRANDPARENTS LIVE OR SOMETHING THAT YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR YOUR CHILD WHO IS IN COLLEGE MIGHT LIVE IN, IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR IN A, IN A REALLY A GUEST HOUSE. THAT'S, THAT'S I THINK THE BEST EXAMPLE OF WHAT IS AN ADU. THAT'S JUST A FANCY WORD FOR A GUEST HOUSE, IF YOU WILL. SO WITH THAT, IF YOU DON'T MIND GOING TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO THIS IS THE CURRENT ORDINANCE, I'M SORRY, THE CURRENT DEFINITION. AND WHEN YOU READ THROUGH THIS. A SUBORDINATE BUILDING ATTACHED OR DETACHED FROM THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND USED FOR A PURPOSE CUSTOMARILY INCIDENTAL TO THE RESIDENTIAL USE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE, SUCH AS A PRIVATE GARAGE OR CARPORT FOR THE STORAGE OF AUTOMOBILES, TOOL HOUSE, LATH OR GREENHOUSE AS A HOBBY HOME WORKSHOP, CHILDREN'S PLAYHOUSE, STORAGE HOUSE OR GARDEN SHELTER, BUT NOT INVOLVED IN THE THE CONDUCT OF A BUSINESS, NOR SHALL ANY ACCESSORY BUILDING BE USED AS A PERMANENT LIVING QUARTERS. SO THE WAY I READ THAT IS YOU PROBABLY COULD HAVE AN ADU RIGHT NOW OR A GUEST HOUSE, YOU JUST COULDN'T LIVE IN IT PERMANENTLY. SO MAYBE THAT'S WHERE WE START. MAYBE WE JUST START WITH LOOKING AT THIS DEFINITION AND MAYBE REDEFINING THAT DEFINITION SO THAT WE COULD ALLOW FOR THAT. AND AGAIN, THIS IS THIS IS A POLICY DECISION, RIGHT? I THINK WE

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ALSO HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT I THINK WE ALL RECOGNIZE THIS PROBABLY IS HAPPENING IN IN ODESSA. AND SOME AND MANY, LET'S SAY THAT THIS MANY HAVE ARE LEGAL. THEY'RE NON-CONFORMING. THEY WENT THROUGH A VARIANCE THROUGH THE ZBA AND THOSE WERE ALLOWED. BUT AND THEN I GUESS WE COME UP TO ANOTHER QUESTION IS, DO WE REALLY WANT THEM TO GO TO A ZBA OR DO WE WANT THESE TO SIMPLY BE ALLOWED BY. RIGHT? YEAH. IN MY MIND, IF WE ALLOW THEM BY RIGHT, IT CERTAINLY MAKES THINGS EASIER. MAKES US, YOU KNOW, THIS THIS THIS ALLOWS US TO HELP WITH THE AFFORDABILITY PROBLEM WITH WITH HOUSING IN OUR IN OUR CITY. IT HELPS US WITH INFILL DEVELOPMENT IN OUR CITY. CERTAINLY WE COULD PUT SOME RESTRICTIONS IN THERE SUCH AS YOU KNOW, HEY, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE AT LEAST ONE PARKING STALL OR, YOU KNOW, 22FT ROUGHLY OF PARKING OUT ON THE STREET TO SUPPORT THAT. BUT AGAIN, THESE ARE BEING THESE ARE UTILIZED ALL OVER TOWN. IN FACT, MY FIRST HOUSE THAT I HAD IN ODESSA, THIS WAS 20 YEARS AGO IN THE BACKYARD, THERE WAS A GUEST HOUSE. IT WAS AN ADU. NO ONE LIVED THERE. SO TECHNICALLY I WAS COMPLIANT. BUT I GUARANTEE YOU THAT HOUSE WAS PROBABLY BUILT WITHOUT THE CITY KNOWING ABOUT IT. AND SO WHAT THIS DOES IS THIS. THIS PUTS IT ALL ON RECORD, IF YOU WILL. SO WE KNOW ABOUT THEM. THEY'RE GETTING PERMITTED. THEY'RE BEING BUILT PROPERLY. BUT IN MY MIND, JUST SIMPLY ALLOWING THEM BY RIGHT IS PROBABLY THE WAY TO GO. IF YOU DON'T MIND, GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO WHAT COULD IT LOOK LIKE? THIS IS WHAT I MEAN BY MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE DONE RIGHT IN THE CITY. SO PERHAPS WE COULD LOOK AT SOME MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS, FOR INSTANCE, NO LESS THAN 190FT■!S, NO GREATER THAN 50% OF THE OF THE PRIMARY DWELLING UNIT, NO GREATER THAN 1200 FEET IN AREA, THINGS LIKE THAT. JUST TO MAKE IT BONA FIDE GUEST HOUSE OR ADU, IF YOU WILL. SO AND IF YOU DON'T MIND, GO TO THE NEXT ONE. THIS JUST AS A VISUAL. THIS IS WHAT AN ADU MIGHT LOOK LIKE THAT'S DETACHED. IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE, THIS WOULD BE AN ADU THAT MIGHT BE ATTACHED JUST AS AN EXAMPLE. SO I THINK FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE IS WE WOULD JUST LIKE SOME GUIDANCE ON WOULD YOU LIKE US TO CHANGE THIS DEFINITION AND CHANGE THE ORDINANCE SO THAT THESE ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT? OR DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE DOWN THE SAME PATH THAT WE HAVE WITH THESE? AND BASED ON THAT, WE CAN CERTAINLY BRING YOU SOMETHING BACK AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING OR THE NEXT AVAILABLE COUNCIL MEETING. WE MIGHT BE A LITTLE TIGHT FOR NEXT ONE, BUT SOMETIME IN FEBRUARY SOUNDS LIKE TO ME THIS IS SORT OF A. WAVE OF THE FUTURE. I MEAN, WE THERE'S SO MANY MOTHER IN LAWS PEOPLE, OLDER PARENTS. YOU JUST GIVES YOU MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY. AND I CERTAINLY WANT THEM DONE RIGHT WITH KNOWLEDGE RATHER THAN JUST WITHOUT ANY OF US KNOWING. SO I THINK IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA. WE PROBABLY NEED TO CONSIDER THIS. WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? WELL, I'VE BEEN APPROACHED BY SEVERAL FOLKS WHO WOULD LIKE A CHANGE IN THIS. I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA FROM MANY ANGLES. YEAH. AND ALSO INCREASE TAX REVENUE FROM VALUE OF THE PROPERTY PERSPECTIVE. SO I WANT THIS I WANT THE UNLIKE YOUR FIRST HOUSE I WANT THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT TO KNOW ABOUT IT. RIGHT. AND HAVE IT UNDER SQUARE FOOTAGE. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING. THEY PROBABLY EVENTUALLY FIGURED IT OUT. BUT YEAH, BUT I BET FOR A FEW YEARS THERE, IT MAKES SENSE IN TODAY'S WORLD WITH MULTI-GENERATIONAL LIVING AND KIDS JUST JUST PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA. BUT I WOULD LIKE LANGUAGE IN THERE. THAT GOES WITH OUR UPCOMING DISCUSSION ABOUT SHORT TERM RENTALS. DISALLOWING OR JUST, WELL, IF YOU'RE USING IT AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL, YOU GOT TO DISCLOSE IT. WELL, SURE. YES, SIR. UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. I THINK MOVE FORWARD, MAYBE PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. ABSOLUTELY. BECAUSE OF MY HOUSE AND MY MOM DON'T WANT TO TAKE CARE OF THAT BIG OLD HOUSE ANYMORE. SO YOU'RE GONNA MOVE INTO AN ADU IN THE BACKYARD? THERE YOU GO. UNTIL I'M GONE. THAT'S THAT'S WOULD ALLOW IT, RIGHT? SO BE THERE FOREVER. EVERYBODY AGREEABLE? LET'S MOVE FORWARD. YEAH. ALRIGHT. WE'LL MOVE FORWARD.

THANK YOU. LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING IT. ALRIGHT. NUMBER SEVEN, DISCUSS THIS. IF ODESSA

[7. Discuss the City of Odessa Naming and Renaming Policy.]

POTENTIALS NEW NAMING AND RENAMING POLICY. THIS WAS IN YOUR. I SENT THIS IN A COUPLE EMAILS BEFORE AND THEN ALSO IT'S IN YOUR PACKET AS WELL. AND REALLY I WAS JUST GETTING AN OPPORTUNITY TO JUST YOU ALL HAVE HAD IT FOR A FEW WEEKS NOW. IS THERE ANY CHANGES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE OR ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD OR TAKE AWAY? IF NOT, WE CAN CERTAINLY JUST PUT THIS PROBABLY ON THE NEXT CONSENT AGENDA. I THINK GREG

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HAD A FEW COMMENTS HE WANTED TO BRING UP. DID YOU GREG? YEAH, CERTAINLY. AND AARON AND MY FELLOW MEMBERS BEAR WITH ME. I THINK IT JUST PUTTING OUT A COUPLE IDEAS TO CONSIDER WHILE WE'RE DOING THIS. SO I'VE GOT A SCRIPT HERE, AND IT'S BASICALLY JUST SAYING THAT I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE. THERE'S NOTABLE IMPROVEMENTS SINCE THE LAST DRAFT, AND IT'S BEEN OFF OF THESE CONVERSATIONS, BUT A POLICY LIKE THIS WILL GUIDE US FOR DECADES, AND IT DOES NEED CLARITY AND DURABILITY. AND I THINK WE'RE ON THE RIGHT PATH. BUT JUST A THOUGHT JUST A LITTLE BIT. I THINK IT'D BE WORTHWHILE REVIEWING EACH CITY CATEGORY.

AND THERE'S RELATED SUB TOPICS TO ENSURE THAT THERE THERE ARE SOME BASIC PROCEDURAL STEPS TO FOLLOW. BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE COUNCILS FOR MANY YEARS TO COME INCLUDED AND OUTLINE IT TO TO A LITTLE DEGREE, JUST FOR GUIDANCE. FOR AN EXAMPLE, I'M GOING TO PICK ONE. THE NAMING.

THIS IS A QUOTE NAMING OF A CITY OWNED FACILITY IN HONOR OF AN INDIVIDUAL, FAMILY OR GROUP MAY BE REVOKED AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CITY COUNCIL. END OF QUOTE. THE POLICY ALLOWS REVOCATION OF COUNCIL DISCRETION, BUT IT THIS ONE IT DOESN'T REALLY INCLUDE ANY PROCESS OR CRITERIA, GUIDELINES OR PUBLIC COMMENT. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR ORDINANCES AND I GET CALLS ON OUR ORDINANCES ALL THE TIME, AND I'M LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE TO RESPOND BACK TO THE CITIZENS, SO A TAD OF GUIDANCE FOR THOSE THAT ARE REVIEWING THE ORDINANCES, THE PROCEDURES IN THE THE GUIDELINES, PROCEDURES AND GUIDELINES. I'M LOOKING I SEE SOME THAT ARE PRETTY GOOD. THEY'RE DEFINED AND SOME OTHERS THERE'S A LITTLE WEAK. AND IN MY OPINION, IT JUST REQUIRES JUST A REVIEW OF THAT TO SEE IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT SPECIFICALLY FROM THAT ANGLE, IF SOMEBODY'S SEEING THE TOPIC. BUT WHAT ARE KIND OF THE STEPS ON THERE I THINK WOULD BE BENEFICIAL. ANOTHER THOUGHT ON THE STREET SECTIONS. YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, I THINK THEY APPEAR LIMITED. IT STATES THAT THE STREETS WOULD RECOGNIZE IN STREET NAMING WOULD RECOGNIZE FOUR DIFFERENT THINGS, AND THAT WOULD BE NATIVE WILDLIFE, FLORA, FAUNA, NATURAL GEOLOGIC FEATURES RELATING TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE CITY OF ODESSA. END OF QUOTE. I THINK THOSE ARE GREAT NAMING CATEGORIES, BUT THIS MAY UNINTENTIONALLY LIMIT THE FLEXIBILITY AND THE CREATIVITY MORE THAN INTENDED REGARDING PEOPLE'S NAMES. THIS REQUIRES ODESSA SPECIFIC CONTRIBUTIONS, INCLUDING LOCAL SERVICE, ECONOMIC IMPACT. HONORING LOCAL CITIZENS IS GREAT, AND I FULLY EXPECT TO HAVE MANY THAT DESERVING. ODESSA'S HONORED BECAUSE OF THIS IN THE FUTURE. I'M ALL FOR IT. HONORING. HONORING OUR CITIZENS LOCAL.

ALTHOUGH I'D LIKE TO NOTE. ON MY OBSERVATIONS ALONE, MOST TEXAS CITIES, COMPARATIVE OR LARGER. DO ALLOW RECOGNITION OF INDIVIDUALS OR STATE OR COUNTRY AS WELL. WE HAVE MILITARY HEROES. WE HAVE SCIENTISTS. WE HAVE ARTISTS. WE HAVE ACTORS. EVEN WHEN THEIR SERVICE AND ACHIEVEMENTS WERE OCCURRED OUTSIDE OF THEIR OWN CITIES. SO MY MY QUESTION IS, I'M NOT SAYING GOOD OR BAD, BUT MY QUESTION IS, IS THIS THE COUNCIL'S INTENT? IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS IS, IS THE CITY THIS THIS IS A CENTRIC POLICY. DO WE WANT A CENTRIC POLICY OR DO WE WANT A ENCOMPASSING POLICY? CENTRIC OPPOSITE IS INCLUSIVITY. FOR EXAMPLE, TAKE RANDOM NAMES GALILEO, BEETHOVEN, JOHN WAYNE. IT APPEARS TO ME THAT IT WOULD.

THROUGH WHAT I'M READING, IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO USE ANY OF THESE HOUSEHOLD NAMES IN FUTURE STREET ASSETS. AND I'M THINKING OF STREET NAMES AND I. I GUESS THAT'S OKAY. BUT IT IS UNUSUAL. THE RECOGNIZABLE NAMES IN OUR CASE, THEY HAVE NO LOCAL SERVICE OR LOCAL IMPACT, AND IT JUST SEEMS UNUSUAL TO ME FOR A CITY AS LARGE AS AND DIVERSE AND SIGNIFICANT AS ODESSA, I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN WHAT WE WANT IS HIGH STANDARDS AND A STRONG LOCAL CONNECTION, WHILE ALSO ALLOWING SOME ROOM FOR STATE OR NATIONAL NAMES. IN THE FUTURE, EVERY NAME WOULD BE.

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HERE'S AN INTERESTING POINT. WE NEED A SAFEGUARD, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT SAFEGUARDS. AND OUR SAFEGUARD IS THAT THE COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY TO VOTE ON EVERY NAME THAT COMES FORWARD.

I THINK THAT FLEXIBILITY WOULD MAKE THIS POLICY MORE DURABLE AND DEFENDABLE AND BETTER SUITED FOR A LONG TERM. AND I'M THINKING 20 YEARS IN THE FUTURE. I SEE THIS DRAFT AS A A SOLID FOUNDATION, BUT IT COULD BENEFIT FROM A LITTLE FURTHER REFINEMENT, DEFINING PROCEDURES, MORE OF A NORMAL BALANCE IN OUR 21ST CENTURY. AND THAT'S JUST MY COMMENT. THANK YOU COUNCILMAN. ANYONE ELSE THOUGHTS? COMMENTS? COUNCIL, WE DO HAVE A SPEAKER CARD. OKAY.

READY? FRANCISCO MORALES. HELLO. MY NAME IS FRANCISCO MORALES, AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER O'CONNELL. I THINK THERE SHOULD BE MORE CLARIFICATION. I WROTE SOMETHING DOWN AND HERE TODAY TO RESPECTFULLY SHARE SEVERAL CONCERNS AND SUGGESTIONS REGARDING THE CITY'S POLICY ON NAMING AND RENAMING CITY OWNED LAND AND FACILITIES. ON PAGE 56 OF THE AGENDA, SECTION D STATES THAT THE NAMES OF INDIVIDUALS, CORPORATIONS OR GROUPS INVOLVED IN CONTROVERSIAL ENTERPRISES OR ACTIVITIES SUCH AS THOSE THAT WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE MISSION OR IMAGE OF THE CITY OF ODESSA, SHOULD BE AVOIDED. I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR CLARIFICATION ON WHAT THE CITY DEFINES AS CONTROVERSIAL ENTERPRISES AND CONTROVERSIAL ENTERPRISES OR ACTIVITIES, AND HOW THE CITY DEFINES THE MISSION OR IMAGE OF THE CITY OF ODESSA. THE SAME PAGE IN SECTION F STATES THAT EXISTING NAMES ARE DEEMED TO HAVE HISTORIC HISTORIC RECOGNITION AND SHOULD BE SHOULD BE RETAINED UNLESS THERE ARE COMPELLING REASONS FOR CHANGE. AFTER A THOROUGH STUDY AND A VOTE OF THE OF CITY COUNCIL, I RESPECTFULLY ASK THE CITY TO CLARIFY WHAT QUALIFIES AS A THOROUGH STUDY, WHO CONDUCTS IT, WHAT FACTORS ARE REVIEWED, AND WHETHER THE FINDINGS ARE SHARED PUBLICLY BEFORE A VOTE.

ADDITIONALLY, THE POLICY STATES THAT RENAMING MAY OCCUR POSTHUMOUSLY FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO MADE MAJOR OVERRIDING CONTRIBUTION TO THE CITY. I ASKED CLARIFICATION OR EXAMPLES OF WHAT CONSTITUTES SUCH A CONTRIBUTION. NEXT, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS ACCESSIBILITY AND INCLUSION ON PAGE 57. UNDER NAMING CRITERIA. ITEM NUMBER FIVE STATES THAT NAMES REFLECTING THE CITY'S ETHNIC AND CULTURAL DIVERSITY ARE ENCOURAGED, BUT THE SIGNAGE SHALL BE IN ENGLISH. WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF OF CLARITY, I BELIEVE SHOWING MULTILINGUAL SIGNAGE WHERE APPROPRIATE, WHILE KEEPING ENGLISH AS THE PRIMARY LANGUAGE WOULD BETTER SERVE OUR DIVERSE COMMUNITY AND IMPROVE PUBLIC ACCESS. ON PAGE 58 REGARDING STREET NAMING CRITERIA, THIS. THE POLICY STATES THAT NAMES MUST BE SIMPLE TO PRONOUNCE AND MUST BE SIMPLE TO PRONOUNCE. I RESPECTFULLY ASK WHO DETERMINES WHETHER A NAME MEETS THAT STANDARD, AND WHAT GUIDELINES OR CRITERIA ARE USED IN MAKING THAT DETERMINATION? ON PAGE 59, THE POLICY STATES THAT NAMES HONORING DECEASED INDIVIDUALS SHOULD BE BASED ON CONTRIBUTIONS THAT POSITIVELY IMPACTED THE LIVES OF CITIZENS, OR WERE ASSOCIATED WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND FULFILLMENT OF THE CITY'S MISSION. I ASK THE CITY TO CLARIFY WHAT POSITIVELY IMPACTED THE LIVES. WHAT POSITIVELY IMPACTED THE LIVES OF CITIZENS MEANS, AND CLEARLY DEFINED WHAT THE THE CITY'S MISSION IS. AS THE PHRASE APPEARS REPEATEDLY THROUGHOUT THE POLICY, THE SAME PAGE ALLOWS NAMING AFTER LIVING PERSONS WHO CONTRIBUTE 50% OR MORE OF THE COST OF A MAJOR FACILITY. I RESPECTFULLY ASK WHETHER SUCH HONOREE MAY CHOOSE THE NAME THEMSELVES, OR IT MUST BE THEIR LEGAL NAME. FINALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON PAGE 60. UNDER NAMING PROCEDURE, THE POLICY REQUIRES APPLICANTS TO COVER APPLICATION FEES AND ASSOCIATED COSTS. WHILE I UNDERSTAND ADMINISTRATIVE NEEDS, THIS REQUIREMENT MAY UNINTENTIONALLY LIMIT PARTICIPATION FROM GRASSROOTS ORGANIZATIONS OR HISTORICALLY UNDERREPRESENTED GROUPS. I RESPECTFULLY ASK THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER WAYS TO REDUCE BARRIERS AND ENCOURAGE BROADER COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT.

THE POLICY REQUIRES APPLICANTS TO PROVIDE CLEAR EVIDENCE OF A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION. ALSO, YOU KNOW, A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION TO THE CITY'S ECONOMIC VITALITY OR QUALITY OF LIFE. I ASKED CLARIFICATION ON WHAT QUALIFIES AS CLEAR EVIDENCE, WHAT CONSTITUTES A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION, AND WHETHER THERE IS A MINIMUM THRESHOLD FOR SUCH CONTRIBUTIONS ON THE SAME PAGE. E IT IS A REQUIREMENT FOR A 60 DAY PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD POSTED ON CITY'S WEBSITE. WHILE I APPRECIATE THAT, I ENCOURAGE THE CITY TO CONSIDER ADDITIONAL OUTREACH METHODS SO RESIDENTS ARE MORE AWARE AND ENGAGED IN THESE DECISIONS. OVERALL, MANY OF THESE TERMS ARE OPEN TO INTERPRETATION. INTERPRETATION, INTERPRETATION. SORRY, PROVIDING CLEAR DEFINITIONS AND EXAMPLES WOULD GREATLY IMPROVE TRANSPARENCY, CONSISTENCY, AND

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PUBLIC TRUST. I RESPECTFULLY ASK CITY COUNCIL TO REVIEW THIS POLICY WITH MEANINGFUL COMMUNITY INPUT AND CONSIDER UPDATES THAT STRENGTHEN CLARITY, INCLUSION AND ACCESS WHILE PRESERVING THE CITY'S VALUES AND HERITAGE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND SERVICE. THANK YOU. FRANCISCO, DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF THAT FOR US BY CHANCE? DO YOU GIVE TO NORMA? YEAH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TODAY. SO AFTER HEARING BOTH CANAL. I GUESS A CONGRESSMAN AFTER HEARING COUNCILMAN PRESENTATION AND FRANCISCO MORALES PRESENTATION, I THINK WHAT I HEAR IS WE HAVE A GREAT START, BUT YOU NEED TO DO SOME POLISHING. I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S TIME AND ATTENTION. I READ IT, I DID NOT CATCH SOME OF THAT STUFF, BUT WHEN I HEAR IT, I IT MAKES SENSE TO ME. SO I THINK WHAT WE DO IS WE LET'S WORK ON IT SOME MORE. WE APPRECIATE WE'RE GETTING THERE. YEAH. IF YOU'LL SEND AARON YOU'RE I WILL. YEAH. SO HE HAS THAT AND THEN WE HAVE FRANCISCO'S AND WE CAN HAVE WE SEEN THAT MIGHT OPEN UP OUR EYES BECAUSE I KIND OF HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ON SECTION THE NAMING CRITERIA UNDER THE PARKS AT SECTION SIX HAS ALL THAT STUFF. MAYBE THAT SHOULD BE FOR THE STREETS TOO, FOR EXAMPLE. YOU KNOW, I GET IT. THAT MAKES GOOD SENSE. SO WE HAVE SOME WORK TO DO. GOOD START. I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S COMMENTS AND BEING HERE TO HELP US MAKE THIS A A BETTER RENAMING POLICY. THAT THAT FITS EVERYTHING WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IS, WHICH IS TO HONOR, MEMORIALIZE THOSE THAT DESERVE SPECIAL RECOGNITION FOR THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS TO OUR COMMUNITY AND THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. I'LL GO TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, DISCUSS BOARDS AND COMMISSION

[8. Discuss Boards and Commission appointments. ]

APPOINTMENTS. YES, COUNCIL, AS A QUICK UPDATE FOR THE BUILDING BOARD OF APPEALS, WHICH HAS BEEN TABLED BECAUSE WE NEEDED CERTAIN APPLICATIONS TO FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS OF QUALIFICATIONS TO SERVE ON THE BOARD. SOME OF THOSE APPLICATIONS HAVE BEEN COMING IN, SO COUNCIL WILL BE FORWARDED THOSE APPLICATIONS FOR CONSIDERATION FOR TO GET THIS BOARD UP TO DATE AND UP TO SPEED. SO YOU'LL BE SEEING THAT VERY SOON. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT GENTLEMEN, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA AS A RESULT. MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE ADJOURN.

IF THERE'S NOTHING FURTHER TO DISCUSS. A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VAZQUEZ THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN HANEY. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.